There are two MOO1 remakes being made independently, and you can play them both. by pinback 09/08/2017, 1:31pm PDT 
So how did the remake turn out? NT by Mischief Maker 08/25/2016, 7:33pm PDT
It's... okay! by pinback 08/25/2016, 7:49pm PDT
So what you're saying is buy MOO2 on GOG and have a better time? Way ahead of yo NT by Rey Mysterio Jr. 08/25/2016, 8:04pm PDT
Well, MOO4 has a better UI and better graphics. But sure. MOO2 it up! NT by pinback 08/25/2016, 8:05pm PDT
Youtube Suggest just launched its second straight Faith Hill video. Do I alt-tab by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/25/2016, 8:18pm PDT
yeah by fabio 08/31/2016, 5:55pm PDT
DRM multiplayer!! by fabio 08/31/2016, 5:53pm PDT
It's baby's first MOO NT by Feels like it was coded for mobile 01/02/2017, 3:13pm PST
Good/Bad/Ugly review of Stellaris by Rey Mysterio Jr. 05/15/2016, 7:59am PDT
Stellaris, a superior game to MOO4 is releasing Monday NT by Rey Mysterio Jr. 05/06/2016, 5:37pm PDT
Based on what? NT by pinback 05/07/2016, 7:24am PDT
Based on a design studio that's synonymous with grand strategy design by Rey Mysterio Jr. 05/07/2016, 4:34pm PDT
They did more than that with MOO4! by fabio 05/07/2016, 11:16pm PDT
So, nothing. by pinback 05/08/2016, 9:11am PDT
70/100 - PC Gamer NT by Review Monkey 05/09/2016, 8:10am PDT
6.3/10 - IGN NT by Review Monkey 05/09/2016, 8:11am PDT
This guy got shit on so hard for his review that Paradox released a statement NT by Rey Mysterio Jr. 05/12/2016, 6:26am PDT
Fun so far, but I'm still in the exploring stage. NT by mark 05/09/2016, 8:21pm PDT
I've started two games so far and am loving it by Rey Mysterio Jr. 05/10/2016, 7:20am PDT
I discovered Earth during WW2 and uplifted them into the interstellar age by Rey Mysterio Jr. 05/10/2016, 9:15pm PDT
It's not all bad, "Game Spew" gave it a 9! "Game Spew"! NT by Review Monkey 05/10/2016, 7:23am PDT
95% Overwhelmingly Positive Reviews on Steam NT by Suck our balls, pinback 05/10/2016, 10:38pm PDT
Glad to hear it! by pinback 05/11/2016, 7:04am PDT
Define slog by Rey Mysterio Jr. 05/11/2016, 7:24am PDT
I will not. NT by pinback 05/11/2016, 2:27pm PDT
I demand an apology. NT by Bob Green 05/12/2016, 9:00am PDT
I will not give it to you. NT by Larry King 05/12/2016, 10:14am PDT
Re: Glad to hear it! by mark 05/12/2016, 4:10pm PDT
Wait until you run into a fallen/stagnant ringworld empire by Rey Mysterio Jr. 05/14/2016, 7:35am PDT
The only review that matters. Unquestionable. by fabio 02/29/2016, 5:06pm PST
So far it just seems like a less functional MOO2 by fabio 02/27/2016, 10:39am PST
It's less functional because it's EA. by pinback 02/27/2016, 2:26pm PST
I'm just marveling over the decison to give the cat furry hairless tits. NT by Mysterioso 02/27/2016, 2:52pm PST
It's like they know their audience then fumble at the 2 yard line NT by Entropy Stew 02/27/2016, 5:15pm PST
It's in early access. NT by Early. Access. EARLY. ACCESS. 02/27/2016, 8:04pm PST
Stop talking about games guy! by fabio 02/28/2016, 7:37am PST
Everything sucks guy! NT by pinback 02/28/2016, 7:49am PST
Here is my only concern. by Pinback 02/27/2016, 8:43pm PST
Early Access today. Here are my thoughts after 1.3 hours. by pinback 02/25/2016, 1:05pm PST
It's got a cartoony GalCiv vibe but I still like where it's going NT by Rey Mysterio Jr. 02/25/2016, 2:43pm PST
Is the combat real-time or turn-based? NT by M Squared 02/25/2016, 4:53pm PST
Pausable (with spacebar) real-time. NT by pinback 02/25/2016, 5:09pm PST
Reboot annonced? by fabio 11/27/2015, 3:34am PST
announced even NT by fabio 11/27/2015, 3:38am PST
Re: Reboot annonced? by Oom Shnibble 11/27/2015, 4:39am PST
It's had a Steam page for several months now. Please try to keep up. NT by pinback 11/28/2015, 12:21pm PST
boner: gone by fabio 11/28/2015, 4:26pm PST
From the 1996 Gamespot review: by Mischief Maker 11/28/2015, 6:38pm PST
Food, industry AND research? THREE things? Man, FUCK THIS. NT by who am i space einstein?? 11/28/2015, 7:42pm PST
Yes, they managed to fuck up 3 things by fabio 11/28/2015, 9:07pm PST
You're worried about the new MOO because you're afraid it'll be too much like NT by MOO2. You are a national treasure. 11/29/2015, 3:05pm PST
Terminator 2 also sucked compared to the original NT by sorry 11/29/2015, 3:55pm PST
Guess who fucked up MOO now by WITTGENSTEIN 06/09/2015, 9:40am PDT
The starmap screenies are so close to StarDrive 2 that I wouldn't be surprised i by f Zero sues 'em. 06/09/2015, 1:19pm PDT
Been playing a lot of MOO 1 lately by fabio 10/21/2012, 12:32pm PDT
Re: Been playing a lot of MOO 1 lately by McMoo 10/23/2012, 6:26am PDT
Sword of the Stars 1 Complete $5 on Gamersgate today by Mysterio 10/11/2012, 4:24am PDT
For turn-based space 4x, I recommend Armada 2526. NT by The Armada 2526 Recommender 03/23/2012, 10:21am PDT
I heard the combat for that was boring. Review plz. NT by Mischief Maker 03/23/2012, 11:47am PDT
Sure. But is combat ever NOT boring in 4X? NT by The Armada 2526 Recommender 03/23/2012, 12:18pm PDT
Sword of the Stars, MOO1, Starships Unlimited. NT by Mischief Maker 03/23/2012, 5:12pm PDT
Re: Sword of the Stars, MOO1, Starships Unlimited. by Festus McGee 03/24/2012, 10:36am PDT
Are you kidding me??? by Mischief Maker 03/24/2012, 12:28pm PDT
Still trying to like it by fabio 03/24/2012, 1:33pm PDT
From what I read, Armada 2526 is probably what you're looking for. by Mischief Maker 03/24/2012, 2:03pm PDT
Re: From what I read, Armada 2526 is probably what you're looking for. by fabio 03/24/2012, 2:15pm PDT
MOO ships were mathematical abstracts. by Mischief Maker 03/24/2012, 2:54pm PDT
Re: MOO ships were mathematical abstracts. by fabio 03/24/2012, 3:49pm PDT
Does King Arthur count? by Mischief Maker 03/24/2012, 6:28pm PDT
Is King Arthur worth $5 + time? NT by fabio 03/28/2012, 2:43pm PDT
$5??? Fuck yeah. by Mischief Maker 03/28/2012, 4:27pm PDT
Just a reminder: SOTS2 still sucks and you should not buy it for even 5$ by WITTGENSTEIN 03/25/2012, 9:41am PDT
Essentially, SOTS is RISK, so it was a mistake adding all that shit anyway. by Mischief Maker 03/25/2012, 3:39pm PDT
Re: Essentially, SOTS is RISK, so it was a mistake adding all that shit anyway. by N 03/25/2012, 6:51pm PDT
MOO1 had randomized tech by fabio 03/25/2012, 9:55pm PDT
I'd also like a review by fabio 03/23/2012, 12:29pm PDT
I didn't actually play it enough for a full review. by The Armada 2526 Recommender 03/24/2012, 10:35am PDT
C'mon! Don't be a pussy! by Mischief Maker 03/25/2012, 8:49am PDT
Bought this, regretted it by fabio 07/22/2012, 10:13pm PDT
Recommend a good 4x with tactical combat, plz by Arbit 07/05/2012, 11:41am PDT
Sword of the Stars 1 by WITTGENSTEIN 07/05/2012, 3:30pm PDT
Is rebellion a significant improvement over the original? by fabio 07/05/2012, 3:55pm PDT
By 1.1 bombardment frigates were fucking worthless unless you had too much cash by WITTGENSTEIN 07/06/2012, 4:57pm PDT
I will try that map! NT by fabio 07/06/2012, 11:19pm PDT
Imperium Galactica II (if you can find a fucking copy) NT by WITTGENSTEIN 07/05/2012, 3:34pm PDT
GoG.com review by Darth Furious 06/14/2012, 10:44pm PDT
Trying to get into Sword of the Stars by fabio 03/22/2012, 5:29pm PDT
Does anyone ever really "get into" Sword of the Stars? NT by Mischief Maker 03/22/2012, 7:56pm PDT
Not so far =( by fabio 03/22/2012, 8:46pm PDT
SYYYYSSSTEEEM UPPPDAAATE!!! NT by The worst UI in the history of 4X 03/22/2012, 10:18pm PDT
Re: Not so far =( by Mischief Maker 03/22/2012, 10:26pm PDT
None of this shit is anywhere in the manual by fabio 03/23/2012, 12:25pm PDT
The 3D battles ARE the selling point. If you're not interested, take a pass. NT by Mischief Maker 03/23/2012, 5:11pm PDT
Here's a good beginner's guide by Mischief Maker 03/23/2012, 7:44pm PDT
Official: the final giving up by fabio 03/29/2012, 9:15pm PDT
Re: Official: the final giving up by Mischief Maker 03/30/2012, 10:37am PDT
This made me want to play the game. by Gutsby 03/30/2012, 2:12pm PDT
Re: Official: the final giving up by N 03/30/2012, 6:24pm PDT
There is zero point to assault shuttles. And most of the bombardment weapons. by WITTGENSTEIN 03/31/2012, 8:50am PDT
There's a lot of point to assault shuttles! by Mischief Maker 03/31/2012, 11:03am PDT
How do you inoculate a population against "God's sub-orbital asteroid wrath"? by WITTGENSTEIN 04/07/2012, 8:57am PDT
I've never run into an instance of needing them either by fabio 04/07/2012, 3:32pm PDT
Woah, shit! ATTN FABIO! They removed the tutorial from SOTS Complete Edition! by Mischief Maker 03/29/2012, 11:33pm PDT
I actually picked this up on Steam and the vids are in the tutorial mission NT by Entropy Stew 03/30/2012, 5:43am PDT
Whoops! So they are. Nevermind. NT by Mischief Maker 03/30/2012, 9:44am PDT
Oh I watched them by fabio 03/31/2012, 11:34am PDT
Found hard numbers on the weapons by fabio 04/05/2012, 6:24pm PDT
FreeOrion by Fortinbras 03/30/2008, 6:57pm PDT
Wrong version, I guess they patched in AI recently by Fortinbras 03/30/2008, 7:22pm PDT
Garbage day. NT by Jhoh Creebul, Witch Toucher O_O 03/31/2008, 7:19am PDT
Pretty much by Fortinbras 03/31/2008, 9:59am PDT
Patch by Roop Dirump 06/07/2003, 1:03am PDT
Re: Patch by Moab 06/08/2003, 12:43pm PDT
Re: Patch by curst 06/08/2003, 1:52pm PDT
Re: Patch by Roop Dirump 06/08/2003, 4:19pm PDT
Re: Patch by foogla 06/08/2003, 4:35pm PDT
Re: Patch by Roop Dirump 06/08/2003, 5:06pm PDT
Hey Roop by Bill Dungsroman 06/11/2003, 2:49am PDT
Re: Hey Roop by Roop Dirump 06/11/2003, 4:14am PDT
Re: Hey Roop by Bill Dungsroman 06/11/2003, 11:50am PDT
Amazon will now pay you to take this game off their hands by Bob Violence 06/11/2003, 3:27am PDT
Also, the rebate ends this saturday NT by Roop Dirump 06/11/2003, 4:16am PDT
Whoa by Cyrris 05/30/2003, 12:35am PDT
Re: Whoa by FoK 06/01/2003, 12:37pm PDT
Don't, by Nixon 06/01/2003, 2:44pm PDT
Re: Don't, by foogla 06/01/2003, 3:04pm PDT
Re: Don't, by theEmu 06/01/2003, 6:45pm PDT
Re: Don't, by Nixon 06/01/2003, 7:24pm PDT
Re: Don't, by foogla 06/02/2003, 5:44am PDT
Re: Don't, by Choson 06/01/2003, 3:12pm PDT
Re: Whoa by Live Studio Audience 06/02/2003, 6:26pm PDT
It's free now by Bob Violence 06/07/2003, 2:03pm PDT
that editorial review is choking on cock NT by FABIO 06/02/2003, 7:35pm PDT
Looks like it will be playable "soon" by foogla 05/27/2003, 4:29pm PDT
I remember when they said that about Daggerfall NT by Zebco Fuckface N/T 05/28/2003, 3:37am PDT
Pants Golems by Zseni, her granny porn finale 04/05/2003, 1:48am PST
hee hee by FABIO 04/01/2003, 10:28am PST
Do reviews affect game sales? Word of mouth? by FoK 04/01/2003, 12:41pm PST
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so fucking sorry. by Senor Barborito 04/01/2003, 12:48pm PST
Re: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so fucking sorry. by foogla 04/01/2003, 1:17pm PST
Maybe I was unclear. I didn't buy it. by FoK 04/01/2003, 1:30pm PST
Galactic Civilizations: fun. The anti-Moo3. N/T NT by Zebco Fuckface 03/31/2003, 5:14pm PST
Re: Galactic Civilizations: fun. The anti-Moo3. N/T by foogla 03/31/2003, 7:15pm PST
Flame retardant by Spamlordd 03/25/2003, 8:06pm PST
You mean "retarded flamer" by SBDMT 03/25/2003, 9:05pm PST
Re: You mean "retarded flamer" by Spamlordd 03/25/2003, 9:53pm PST
ANY site is better than his. by Cream of some young guy 03/25/2003, 10:02pm PST
I'll give you that. Those quotes were lame though by Spamlordd 03/25/2003, 10:10pm PST
jesus christ, even computer AI opponents all fucking hate him by FABIO 03/25/2003, 10:29pm PST
Game sounds good, but. by Chunguo 03/25/2003, 10:52pm PST
Initial impression: a) Tom Chick an idiot, b) Zebco completely right by Senor Barborito 03/03/2003, 12:50pm PST
Re: Initial impression: a) Tom Chick an idiot, b) Zebco completely right by Bokonon 03/03/2003, 12:57pm PST
Tom Chick hated Deus Ex, 'nuff said NT NT by Senor Barborito 03/03/2003, 1:02pm PST
So do I, heh N/T NT by Bokonon 03/03/2003, 1:10pm PST
Good to see you here, btw. by Senor Barborito 03/03/2003, 1:33pm PST
I think he came to see my sperm -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2003, 2:05pm PST
WELL, WHERE IS IT?! N/T NT by Bokonon 03/03/2003, 2:28pm PST
In every post made to this site. In the heart of every child. In the gayetc -nt- by Entropy Stew 03/03/2003, 3:22pm PST
Re: Good to see you here, btw. by Bokonon 03/03/2003, 2:28pm PST
Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by Alternate789 03/03/2003, 3:43pm PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by Bokonon 03/04/2003, 1:24am PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by curst 03/04/2003, 8:19am PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/04/2003, 1:39pm PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by Bokonon 03/04/2003, 4:01pm PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by Bill Dungsroman 03/04/2003, 4:06pm PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by Bokonon 03/04/2003, 4:10pm PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/04/2003, 4:51pm PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by Bokonon 03/04/2003, 5:32pm PST
Re: Even if you go serious, make sure Gibbs still does interviews (N/T) by curst 03/04/2003, 5:54pm PST
SB's Dream Game by Mr. Palomar 03/04/2003, 11:40am PST
SO. FUCKING. ACCURATE. by Senor Barborito 03/04/2003, 11:56am PST
Re: SO. FUCKING. ACCURATE. by Jhoh Creexul 03/04/2003, 12:47pm PST
Re: SB's Dream Game by Bananadine 03/04/2003, 12:04pm PST
Game sucks anyway by jeep 03/04/2003, 12:11pm PST
Re: Game sucks anyway by Senor Barborito 03/04/2003, 9:40pm PST
Re: Game sucks anyway by foogla 03/05/2003, 4:47am PST
Ur-Quan Masters v0.2 is up by Entropy Stew 02/26/2003, 7:00pm PST
BUH? by arbit 02/26/2003, 8:54pm PST
what......the.......fuck NT NT by FABIO 02/26/2003, 9:44pm PST
Re: Ur-Quan Masters v0.2 is up by motherhead 02/26/2003, 9:01pm PST
Board bug... by Chairman Mao 02/28/2003, 10:34pm PST
Re: Board bug... by The HTML Wizard 02/28/2003, 10:44pm PST
Re: Board bug... by Rear Admiral Stew 03/01/2003, 1:59pm PST
Re: Board bug... by Chairman Mao 03/01/2003, 6:22pm PST
Everyone hates it. I laugh at you Seno^H^H^H^Hfanboys. by Zebco Fuckface 02/28/2003, 3:18pm PST
Yep, it sucks by Zebco Fuckface 02/28/2003, 9:47pm PST
Oh yeah: Rebellion was better (yes, it's that horrid) N/T NT by Zebco Fuckface 02/28/2003, 9:50pm PST
HOW ABOUT ASCENDANCY??? SUCK IT, SB!!!!!!!! -NT NT by FABIO 03/01/2003, 1:50am PST
I've been playing another game so much I haven't even picked up MOO3 yet by Senor Barborito 03/01/2003, 3:52am PST
You bastard. by mrs. johnson 03/01/2003, 5:14am PST
Re: You bastard. by Fizzo of Kizzo 03/01/2003, 8:06am PST
Re: You bastard. by Llort 03/01/2003, 2:10pm PST
I KNO WHAT IT IS!!!!!!! -nt- by Entropy Stew 03/01/2003, 2:00pm PST
Tom Chick, pissing down the throat of Moo3 by Zebo Fuckface 02/22/2003, 2:41am PST
Yikes. by FoK 02/22/2003, 2:57am PST
Tom Chick is a complete and utter idiot and I can prove it. by Senor Barborito 02/22/2003, 4:01am PST
yeah, and King's Quest is beatable once you buy the hint book -NT NT by FABIO 02/22/2003, 4:48am PST
Except King's Quest is the same game every time so your analogy fails by Senor Barborito 02/22/2003, 5:14am PST
Re: Except King's Quest is the same game every time so your analogy fails by FABIO 02/22/2003, 12:22pm PST
So you're saying the sticker price is off by $20 by Zebco Fuckface 02/22/2003, 12:49pm PST
This game sounds like a 4X version of Dungeon Siege -NT NT by FABIO 02/22/2003, 4:49am PST
I take this as the final proof MOO3 sucks (NT) by Mischief Maker 02/22/2003, 10:51am PST
Whoops! There is text in the previous post. I'm just used to always typing NT by Typo Maker 02/22/2003, 10:52am PST
Yes, we've all tried Starships Unlimited. (NT) NT by mark 02/22/2003, 11:41am PST
Re: I take this as the final proof MOO3 sucks by FABIO 02/22/2003, 12:15pm PST
Re: I take this as the final proof MOO3 sucks by MOO3 Unmaker 02/22/2003, 12:51pm PST
Re: I take this as the final proof MOO3 sucks by FABIO 02/23/2003, 1:21am PST
Re: I take this as the final proof MOO3 sucks by mysterio 02/23/2003, 4:10pm PST
Re: I take this as the final proof MOO3 sucks by Unbitter 02/22/2003, 9:08pm PST
also RE: Space Empires 4 by FABIO 02/22/2003, 12:36pm PST
Re: I take this as the final proof MOO3 sucks (NT) by Zebco Fuckface 02/22/2003, 12:51pm PST
GAH -nt- by Entropy Stew 02/22/2003, 1:11pm PST
So what does he like to make him such a sell out? Blizzard Games?(NT) NT by mark 02/22/2003, 1:22pm PST
Tom Chicki hated Deus Ex. 'Nuff said. (NT) by Senor Barborito 02/22/2003, 3:42pm PST
Re: Tom Chicki hated Deus Ex. 'Nuff said. by FABIO 02/23/2003, 1:34am PST
SPEAK NOT THAT NAME by Zebco Fuckface 02/23/2003, 1:47pm PST
Re: SPEAK NOT THAT NAME by FABIO 02/23/2003, 3:05pm PST
ANYTHING was better than Ascendancy NT NT by Senor Barborito 02/23/2003, 3:05pm PST
hmmmm wait by FABIO 02/23/2003, 10:54pm PST
Lots of stuff re: MOO3 by someone playing the Gold version by Senor Barborito 02/14/2003, 4:16pm PST
Re: Lots of stuff re: MOO3 by someone playing the Gold version by Mischief Maker 02/14/2003, 4:31pm PST
Re: Lots of stuff re: MOO3 by someone playing the Gold version by arbit 02/14/2003, 5:08pm PST
The Ur-Qu^H^H^H, um, Antarans have been genetically fucking with them -nt- NT by Senor Barborito 02/14/2003, 5:54pm PST
Re: Lots of stuff re: MOO3 by someone playing the Gold version by FoOk 02/15/2003, 11:06am PST
Races vs. Graphics by Fullofkittens 02/15/2003, 11:32am PST
Re: Races vs. Graphics by Senor Barborito 02/15/2003, 2:55pm PST
GODDAMNIT FOK I WILL KICK YOUR UNBORN KITTENS TO DEATH (fixed tag) by Senor Barborito 02/15/2003, 2:56pm PST
MOO2 didn't have broken diplomacy?? by FABIO 02/15/2003, 2:09am PST
UI = User Interface NT by Senor Barborito 02/15/2003, 6:16am PST
Fuck this Complex game bullshit by Mischief Maker 02/14/2003, 5:09pm PST
Re: Fuck this Complex game bullshit by CrackerBarrel 02/14/2003, 11:29pm PST
Re: Fuck this Complex game bullshit by FABIO 02/15/2003, 2:11am PST
Speaking of Ugly Unbelievably complex intergalactic conquest... by Mischief Maker 02/12/2003, 10:42pm PST
Re: Speaking of Ugly Unbelievably complex intergalactic conquest... by Zebco Fuckface 02/14/2003, 4:55pm PST
Tycho's Initial Review - Ugly, Deep, Insanely Complex In The Good Way by Senor Barborito 02/12/2003, 6:24pm PST
Sorry just woke up, the link is right, though -NT- NT by SB 02/12/2003, 6:27pm PST
NO it isn't, but THIS one is, Jesus. by Senor Barborito 02/12/2003, 6:29pm PST
Am I the only person that enjoyed Afterlife? by FoK 02/12/2003, 8:03pm PST
Afterlife, the only video game to use "schadenfreude". by Zseni 02/12/2003, 8:07pm PST
Explain to me why I should trust the opinions of such a shit comic writer N/T NT by Zebco Fuckface 02/12/2003, 9:43pm PST
Because he makes good judgement calls on games, usually (I think) NT by Senor Barborito 02/13/2003, 4:38am PST
Because if _he_ noticed, then it must be really, obviously good -nt- by Ray, of Light 02/13/2003, 9:50am PST
THIS GAME SUCKS by Jhoh Creexul 02/12/2003, 3:30am PST
Damn you! I was going to Ator as you saying the same thing! (nt) by Mischief Maker 02/12/2003, 11:54am PST
Who do you think you're fooling? -nt- NT by ydrt 02/12/2003, 12:48pm PST
Definitely not me. I know who's me and who isn't. (nt) NT by Jhoh Creexul 02/12/2003, 12:50pm PST
I get confused sometimes. (nt) by Entropy Stew 02/12/2003, 11:28pm PST
Next ator, try to get the nt style right -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/13/2003, 12:02am PST
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