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by Bill Dungsroman 07/21/2003, 1:15pm PDT |
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DrunkofKittens wrote:
...Anyways, very interesting article, though he doesn't really make any "points" per se, besides the one where he thinks an online community will die without moderators... which goes contrary to the two most fruitful online communities I've personally witnessed (POE and OMM's forums).
Well, we all know what happened to OMM's "unmoderated" forums, don't we? That's a shitty example. And Kthor would prefer you didn't ignore him and the work he does for poe. He, uh, runs it, don't you know. He's just very good at it, you barely know he's there or moderating, which is the ideal for a mod.
DrunkofKittens wrote:
It seems like guys like this guy would want to know about this particular site, since it really flies in the face of his preconceptions. Interesting fact #1: We don't have a problem with n00bs coming in and talking shit. Why? Ocould say that it's because we're such artful flamers and such an insular group that no one else but us enjoys posting here... but truthfully we don't have to go into "clubby flame mode" very often. Is it just that there are a million messageboards out there and there isn't much to draw new people in here, in terms of content?
No, we just accuse them of being Vag. On OMM, n00bs got hazed and insulted. Here, they get bizarre accusations of being other people. Perhaps sometimes it's founded, often it isn't. You can probably thank Mischeif Maker for that. We're too paranoid to get into lusty flamewars anymore. At least, I am.
DrunkofKittens wrote:
Interesting fact #2: The "group as user" identity that he keeps talking about was so strong, in this case, that it actually survived what should have been the end in terms of his classic "group destroys itself" model. OMM's forum had a purpose (discuss OMM), but eventually it got out of control, Chet couldn't/didn't want to keep it going if it wasn't what he wanted to see on his forum, but the mutant group that had grown up there (that very malignant force which should have destroyed the group) was actually a group on its own, and those of us that saw that second group as something worth saving came right over when we found out this site was here.
Fuck Chet. Listen, nothing against him per se, but he's the absolute worst fucking example to bring up in discussions of rational site ops unless you need a bad example. Did you ever read all the posts on OMM, chronologically? I did. Comparing the days leading up to Black Thursday with any point in time prior, the differences are minor at best. Retards and regs mixing it up. The traffic in Rants decreased because of compulsive reappropriating of other forums (which Chet did not disapprove of - hence his pay-for-name bit as well as participating in NFL Blitz and others), that would be the only significant change. Chet's claim of the forums not being what he wanted was borne out of a spike in his nerve center (or his girlfriend's) that amplified his annoyance at OMMers who bitched at him in emails (a number which may only be as high as one - Vag, over that hosting bullshit). I guarantee you the shit he was getting from OMM prior to Black Thursday was significantly less than he got from say, Spanky and the Golden Age Boys (nothing against Spanky, BTW) when GA formed. We didn't kill OMM, it killed itself.
DrunkofKittens wrote:
Interesting, too, is his party analogy, where people want to leave but don't. This spring there were definitely times when I think most people were most getting pissed off and would have rather not have posted, but kept posting anyway because it would be sad for the community (such as it is) to die.
Here, I agree.
DrunkofKittens wrote:
Goddamn, my glass is empty again. Anyways, that article is long but you'll be happy to recognize yourself in it if you read it.
I've all the recognition I need online and then some, thanks.
BDR
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Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Entropy Stew 07/20/2003, 10:44pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by DrunkofKittens 07/21/2003, 12:14am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by whydirt, fag prince of jazz 07/21/2003, 12:25am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Fullofkittens 07/21/2003, 12:39am PDT 
Should've read this before posting, but I had links and stuff . . . yeah. NT by Senor Barborito 07/21/2003, 2:17am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by E. L. Koba 07/21/2003, 12:49am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by laudablepuss 07/21/2003, 3:21pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by E. L. Koba 07/21/2003, 6:40pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by whydirt 07/21/2003, 6:48pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by E. L. Koba 07/21/2003, 7:49pm PDT 
That guy was part of the original OMM community, dicklick by Senor Barborito 07/21/2003, 2:14am PDT 
Re: That guy was part of the original OMM community, dicklick by Monty Cantsin 07/21/2003, 7:07pm PDT 
Re: That guy was part of the original OMM community, dicklick by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/21/2003, 8:26pm PDT 
We just found out yesterday, pretty much NT by Senor Barborito 07/21/2003, 11:11pm PDT 
Oh yeah, nice to see you NT by Senor Barborito 07/21/2003, 11:12pm PDT 
Wow, I brought both Hokie and Monty with that one.It's like I drew the Powerball by Entropy Stew 07/21/2003, 11:13pm PDT 
I wonder if they would like to join my Friendster network? HMM? NT by conflictNo 07/22/2003, 2:07am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Entropy Stew 07/21/2003, 2:31am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Bill Dungsroman 07/21/2003, 1:15pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Fullofkittens 07/21/2003, 7:24pm PDT 
Damn. I guess I'm one of the idiots that forget to preview. :( NT by Fullofkittens 07/21/2003, 7:25pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Bill Dungsroman 07/21/2003, 7:55pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by whydirt 07/21/2003, 12:17am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/21/2003, 7:03pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Entropy Stew 07/21/2003, 7:39pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/21/2003, 9:00pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/21/2003, 10:15pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/21/2003, 10:26pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/23/2003, 12:26am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/23/2003, 1:07pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/23/2003, 5:47pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Entropy Stew 07/23/2003, 6:32pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Fullofkittens 07/24/2003, 9:24am PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Monty Cantsin 07/22/2003, 7:07pm PDT 
Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/23/2003, 12:39am PDT 
Not the measurement of conjugate quantum attributes. by Chairman Mao 07/23/2003, 12:43am PDT 
Re: Not the measurement of conjugate quantum attributes. by Oscar Mayer Wilder 07/23/2003, 2:38am PDT 
UR GAY. NT by Chairman Mao 07/23/2003, 2:46am PDT 
Nitpicking your example by Entropy Stew 07/23/2003, 6:40pm PDT 
Re: Nitpicking your example by Monty Cantsin 07/24/2003, 1:58am PDT 
I like cupcakes NT by Entropy Stew 07/24/2003, 2:14am PDT 
Personal Questions by Fussbett 07/24/2003, 4:25am PDT 
Re: Personal Questions by Monty Cantsin 07/24/2003, 6:09pm PDT 
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