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Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/23/2003, 1:07pm PDT
Lufteufel wrote:

but you do need all kinds of db-driven infrastructure all over the place to have something that resembles a community.


Nope. Turned out that simply having links as pointers was enough to engender a sense of community. The original weblogs didn't even have *comments* enabled.

You are confusing the features of today's weglogs with the features of the originals, which created community through cross-linking. Weblogs were *never* a disconnected medium -- they just weren't database driven in their earliest incarnation.

Lufteufel wrote:

Instant messages, reader comments, web forums, email updates, reviews, ratings, indicies, polls, emoticons, RSS feeds, and all that fancy community-enabling stuff that orbits the blogosphere is what makes the whole experience so attractive now.


Nope. That's frosting. The thing that makes the experience attractive is lightweight, time-ordered personal publishing and linking. Those other features came about because that core experience was and is good.

Lufteufel wrote:

You seem to think that all these tools are showing up now because so many people have discovered blogging.


Nope. I think its a feedback loop. More people == a drive by developers to create more features, and more features == an environment that's more attractive to users.

But of course I've quoted you out of order, having saved your best, opening line for last:

Lufteufel wrote:

You may not need a database to have individual, disconnected weblogs existing in a collaborative vaccuum


Good of you to acknowledge that weblogs don't require databases, though of course you've completely misunderstood their development by equating simple coding with disconnection.

Let's recap, shall we: You find a description of weblogs and personal home pages, and an assertion that though they are of rougly similar technological complexity, weblogs are socially more complex, and thus took more time to develop. You then attack this assertion by enumerating the features of weblogs that make them a far more difficult undertaking than personal home pages, thus demolishing the original contention.

Problem is, the features you originally took the trouble to list were not features of weblogs, but were instead taken from another domain entirely, one which you felt more comfortable discussing because you understood how it worked, unlike weblogs.

When this is pointed out to you, you indulge yourself in the gayest whining since Lifetime cancelled the Richard Simmons bio-pic, and, during the course of said whining, you actually manage to undermine your original argument by conceding that no, in fact, the original weblogs didn't require database development any more than personal home pages did, *which was the whole point of the original quote.*

That's some nice shootin', Tex. Think you can hit the other foot from this distance?

;hm
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Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Entropy Stew 07/20/2003, 10:44pm PDT NEW
    Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by DrunkofKittens 07/21/2003, 12:14am PDT NEW
        Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by whydirt, fag prince of jazz 07/21/2003, 12:25am PDT NEW
            Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Fullofkittens 07/21/2003, 12:39am PDT NEW
            Should've read this before posting, but I had links and stuff . . . yeah. NT by Senor Barborito 07/21/2003, 2:17am PDT NEW
        Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by E. L. Koba 07/21/2003, 12:49am PDT NEW
            Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by laudablepuss 07/21/2003, 3:21pm PDT NEW
                Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by E. L. Koba 07/21/2003, 6:40pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by whydirt 07/21/2003, 6:48pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by E. L. Koba 07/21/2003, 7:49pm PDT NEW
        That guy was part of the original OMM community, dicklick by Senor Barborito 07/21/2003, 2:14am PDT NEW
            Re: That guy was part of the original OMM community, dicklick by Monty Cantsin 07/21/2003, 7:07pm PDT NEW
                Re: That guy was part of the original OMM community, dicklick by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/21/2003, 8:26pm PDT NEW
                    We just found out yesterday, pretty much NT by Senor Barborito 07/21/2003, 11:11pm PDT NEW
                        Oh yeah, nice to see you NT by Senor Barborito 07/21/2003, 11:12pm PDT NEW
                    Wow, I brought both Hokie and Monty with that one.It's like I drew the Powerball by Entropy Stew 07/21/2003, 11:13pm PDT NEW
                        I wonder if they would like to join my Friendster network? HMM? NT by conflictNo 07/22/2003, 2:07am PDT NEW
        Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Entropy Stew 07/21/2003, 2:31am PDT NEW
        Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Bill Dungsroman 07/21/2003, 1:15pm PDT NEW
            Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Fullofkittens 07/21/2003, 7:24pm PDT NEW
                Damn. I guess I'm one of the idiots that forget to preview. :( NT by Fullofkittens 07/21/2003, 7:25pm PDT NEW
                Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Bill Dungsroman 07/21/2003, 7:55pm PDT NEW
    Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by whydirt 07/21/2003, 12:17am PDT NEW
        Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/21/2003, 7:03pm PDT NEW
            Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Entropy Stew 07/21/2003, 7:39pm PDT NEW
                Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/21/2003, 9:00pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/21/2003, 10:15pm PDT NEW
            Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/21/2003, 10:26pm PDT NEW
                Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/23/2003, 12:26am PDT NEW
                    Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Hokie Mokie, the King of Jazz 07/23/2003, 1:07pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/23/2003, 5:47pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Entropy Stew 07/23/2003, 6:32pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Fullofkittens 07/24/2003, 9:24am PDT NEW
            Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Monty Cantsin 07/22/2003, 7:07pm PDT NEW
                Re: Interesting Link: Group dynamics in online communities by Lufteufel 07/23/2003, 12:39am PDT NEW
                    Not the measurement of conjugate quantum attributes. by Chairman Mao 07/23/2003, 12:43am PDT NEW
                        Re: Not the measurement of conjugate quantum attributes. by Oscar Mayer Wilder 07/23/2003, 2:38am PDT NEW
                            UR GAY. NT by Chairman Mao 07/23/2003, 2:46am PDT NEW
                Nitpicking your example by Entropy Stew 07/23/2003, 6:40pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Nitpicking your example by Monty Cantsin 07/24/2003, 1:58am PDT NEW
                        I like cupcakes NT by Entropy Stew 07/24/2003, 2:14am PDT NEW
                        Personal Questions by Fussbett 07/24/2003, 4:25am PDT NEW
                            Re: Personal Questions by Monty Cantsin 07/24/2003, 6:09pm PDT NEW
 
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