Caltrops - Links 2003





	[quote name="Bill Dungsroman"][quote name="DrunkofKittens"]...Anyways, very interesting article, though he doesn't really make any "points" per se, besides the one where he thinks an online community will die without moderators... which goes contrary to the two most fruitful online communities I've personally witnessed (POE and OMM's forums).[/quote] Well, we all know what happened to OMM's "unmoderated" forums, don't we? That's a shitty example. And Kthor would prefer you didn't ignore him and the work he does for poe. He, uh, runs it, don't you know. He's just very good at it, you barely know he's there or moderating, which is the ideal for a mod. [quote name="DrunkofKittens"]It seems like guys like this guy would want to know about this particular site, since it really flies in the face of his preconceptions. Interesting fact #1: We don't have a problem with n00bs coming in and talking shit. Why? Ocould say that it's because we're such artful flamers and such an insular group that no one else but us enjoys posting here... but truthfully we don't have to go into "clubby flame mode" very often. Is it just that there are a million messageboards out there and there isn't much to draw new people in here, in terms of content?[/quote] No, we just accuse them of being Vag. On OMM, n00bs got hazed and insulted. Here, they get bizarre accusations of being other people. Perhaps sometimes it's founded, often it isn't. You can probably thank Mischeif Maker for that. We're too paranoid to get into lusty flamewars anymore. At least, I am. [quote name="DrunkofKittens"]Interesting fact #2: The "group as user" identity that he keeps talking about was so strong, in this case, that it actually survived what should have been the end in terms of his classic "group destroys itself" model. OMM's forum had a purpose (discuss OMM), but eventually it got out of control, Chet couldn't/didn't want to keep it going if it wasn't what he wanted to see on his forum, but the mutant group that had grown up there (that very malignant force which should have destroyed the group) was actually a group on its own, and those of us that saw that second group as something worth saving came right over when we found out this site was here.[/quote] Fuck Chet. Listen, nothing against him <I>per se</I>, but he's the absolute worst fucking example to bring up in discussions of rational site ops unless you need a bad example. Did you ever read all the posts on OMM, chronologically? I did. Comparing the days leading up to Black Thursday with any point in time prior, the differences are minor at best. Retards and regs mixing it up. The traffic in Rants decreased because of compulsive reappropriating of other forums (which Chet did not disapprove of - hence his pay-for-name bit as well as participating in NFL Blitz and others), that would be the only significant change. Chet's claim of the forums not being what he wanted was borne out of a spike in his nerve center (or his girlfriend's) that amplified his annoyance at OMMers who bitched at him in emails (a number which may only be as high as one - Vag, over that hosting bullshit). I guarantee you the shit he was getting from OMM prior to Black Thursday was significantly less than he got from say, Spanky and the Golden Age Boys (nothing against Spanky, BTW) when GA formed. We didn't kill OMM, it killed itself. [quote name="DrunkofKittens"]Interesting, too, is his party analogy, where people want to leave but don't. This spring there were definitely times when I think most people were most getting pissed off and would have rather not have posted, but kept posting anyway because it would be sad for the community (such as it is) to die.[/quote] Here, I agree. [quote name="DrunkofKittens"]Goddamn, my glass is empty again. Anyways, that article is long but you'll be happy to recognize yourself in it if you read it.[/quote] I've all the recognition I need online and then some, thanks. BDR [/quote]