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by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:29pm PST |
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mrs. johnson wrote:
Here's my take on all this:
1) I guess I agree with SB about the terrible formulaic playing at the expert levels of games like Starcraft. Any game where the user essentially directs the action instead of controlling it will eventually be boiled down to some kind ultimate recipe, and the speed of the execution of that recipe will be the deciding factor amongst the greatest kings of said game. For this and other reasons I absolutely refuse to master any game. Yeah I know, “mrs. johhnson is terrible at video games, so he covers it up by saying he doesn’t want to master them. Fag.†Not quite. I used to play a lot of Counter Strike. I got good. There was a period of a month where any server I went into I instantly shot to the first position and was accused of cheating. Suddenly, I didn’t want to play anymore. I furiously uninstalled the fucking game and never looked back. Same thing happens in most RPGs I play. I max level out every character, get all the best items, reach the final dungeon and… I close the game and uninstall it. Why? Fuck you. I’ve learned that mastery of any game for me means that the game is no longer a game. Game, by definition, involves play. When a user (me) reaches the point closest to perfection in any game that has a limited number of possibilities, the user no longer “playsâ€. It becomes some sort of fucking stimulus/response exercise with only one possible response per stimulus. That is not how it works in every day gaming. An average player doesn’t always use the same response for any given stimulus. They vary. That’s a game. Decision making process. It’s not a fucking game when the decisions are no longer decisions but just reenactments of past “best†decisions.
2) Regarding chess. Chess is fucking wonderful. I try to play as much as possible. Thus far, I haven’t had two games that are even close to identical. The actual possibility that I may play three games a day for the rest of my life and never encounter the same game twice is the closest I can come to living in some kind of urbanized eternity. Chess, in my opinion, is the ultimate “game†because under most circumstances the players absolutely must consider what is happening, even if they have been in identical or similar situations twice. Sure there is opening preparation at the grandmaster level, but “skillâ€, however that is judged in chess, is pure up to some point. When two players at their natural peak play, without either one preparing an opening: that is the ultimate clash of intellect. It is pure and reliant on nothing external whatsoever except analytical abilities. But, I’m spouting. Anyone here want to play chess? Yahoo or something?
the mrs.
Perhaps my C&C1 opponents were not as good as my Starcraft opponents, but I never played two more or less identical C&C1 games. I played a lot of identical Starcraft games, however.
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Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by Tom-Foolery Constructor 02/21/2003, 2:29pm PST 
Re: Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by FABIO 02/21/2003, 7:23pm PST 
What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FoK 02/23/2003, 9:37pm PST 
Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FABIO 02/23/2003, 11:01pm PST 
Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by fok 02/23/2003, 11:11pm PST 
Did you even read the initial post? by Senor Barborito 02/23/2003, 11:10pm PST 
Yeah... by fok 02/24/2003, 12:57am PST 
you just rebuted yourself by FABIO 02/24/2003, 10:04am PST 
I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 10:17am PST 
Willful Misunderstanding by Mr. Palomar 02/24/2003, 12:39pm PST 
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:24pm PST 
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:26pm PST 
I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 11:38pm PST 
Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:56am PST 
Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:16pm PST 
Fixed quotes. And hopefully clarified for the final time here. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:24pm PST 
JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by Bill Dungsroman 02/26/2003, 5:21pm PST 
Re: JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by FABIO 02/26/2003, 9:24pm PST 
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/24/2003, 3:25pm PST 
RE: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Alternate789 02/24/2003, 4:16pm PST 
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by curst 02/24/2003, 11:16pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 1:40am PST 
That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 2:16am PST 
Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:35am PST 
Koreans: fast index fingers? by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:17am PST 
No, fast min-max by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:22am PST 
Re: No, fast min-max by ValiumAddict 02/25/2003, 3:39pm PST 
Re: No, fast min-max by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:36pm PDT 
Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:44pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:26am PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:20pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 5:28pm PST 
Queneau plays Black and White by Mr. Palomar 02/25/2003, 5:59pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 7:35pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:40pm PDT 
If you're going to respond to 2003 you could get the title right. NT by Soul Calibur 07/05/2007, 9:42pm PDT 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 3:39am PST 
I used to win money playing Quake regularly by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:41am PST 
"See, I'm really good a video games!" by Irritating kid 02/25/2003, 9:20am PST 
Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by FABIO 02/25/2003, 11:55am PST 
Hey, that's my line. by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:06pm PST 
Video Games, Chess, and Laziness. by mrs. johnson 02/25/2003, 4:40pm PST 
Yes, exactly. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:29pm PST 
Re: Yes, exactly. by mark 02/25/2003, 8:36pm PST 
This argument is pretty much over by now, right? by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 9:08pm PST 
There isn't one strategy for chess that will always win NT by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 11:49pm PST 
that's guy's a fucking crackpot by FABIO 02/25/2003, 6:35pm PST 
I don't know about suspense games, but much of his strategy talk is dead on-nt- by mark 02/25/2003, 6:51pm PST 
it's all DePalma's fault by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:45pm PST 
Re: it's all DePalma's fault by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:44pm PST 
Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:43pm PDT 
This guy is new and already knows SB was crazy and Zseni is bad at everything by Flavilio 07/06/2007, 12:10am PDT 
Battlenet screenname is Balrog200 or soapie on USEast, channel scu NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:32am PDT 
alternatively aim screenname is balrog36 NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:47am PDT 
^^^ This guy loves balrogs. NT by Any and all balrogs. 07/07/2007, 2:57am PDT 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 5:03pm PST 
You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 6:57pm PST 
Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:51pm PST 
Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 8:17pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 8:00pm PST 
StarScripts are tomorrow's Blueprints by Fussbett 10/30/2006, 11:30pm PST 
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