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by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:26am PST |
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First of all, as FoK has pointed out, iterated rock/paper/scissors isn't nearly as trivial as it's cracked up to be. Ask the tiltboys or the guy that programmed Iocaine Powder. If you're looking for a game to signify trivial I suggest you use Tic Tac Toe which, as even Matthew Broderick knows, is just fucking broken.
It's a small world, but we are at the end of a day in which I didn't need to know it was that small. Please, let's leave that statement in its thin cryptic gauze; any explanation would be explaination.
But I love how "Korean" has become shorthand for "mindless" in the context of real-time strategy. Interesting that I've never heard anyone complain about "mindless" Koreans being too easy to beat.
There's a deep, deep, bone-deep historical irony in that shorthand, too. Stop me if you've heard this one before, but there were a couple of I dunno centuries in East Asia in which the Koreas would learn all kinds of slick Chinese technology, the Chinese would get a little heavy-handed, the Koreans would dash across the sea to their buddies the Japanese, and the Japs would get the Chinese technology without the requisite kowtowing and taxes. Then the Japanese would send some kind of military aid to help Korea, Korea would beat back the Chinese, there would be an uneasy peace, and the whole thing happened all over again.
In those years Korea was the synthesis point between the two greatest forces in Asian history: Chinese science (especially, even predominantly social and aesthetic) and Japanese military power.
Any game played at a high enough level is going to be boring to a patzer, which is what these whining douchebags are. Boo hoo! He beat me by hitting the ball to a place I can't reach over and over again. How is that fun? Maybe if you could figure out how to return a fucking serve the game wouldn't appear to be so "broken". Hitting the ball hard isn't the point of tennis, it's the point at which tennis begins. If you're playing someone who can hit hard then being able to hit hard is the entry fee you have to muster before the actual game, the deep game, the interesting high-level game even starts. In an RTS, clicking fast and knowing what beats what is the exact same thing.
Jesus, who complains about clicking in a computer game for godsake? Do you complain about button pushing in Virtual Fighter? Aw, he just pushed the buttons faster than me. Yeah, well sort of, I guess. Awww, he knows the combos, he knocked me down and took the football, he memorized the dictionary, he studied openings, he bet more than I could afford, he practiced, he worked, he won.
Let me let all you rts-dilettante, Korean-hating motherfuckers in on a little secret: you weren't out-clicked, you were out-played. You don't have to like it, but please shut up about it.
/mc
That's all well and good and true, but sometimes it's fun to win, and it's not fun to work at winning. What I'd like to do here is fall into a discussion about Asian and Western lifestyles, how those fucking slopes can afford to dedicate themselves to Starcraft mastery because they don't have to make too many other decisions in life, stuff like that. The real question under it all though is where is the game? Because it ain't in the same place for mindless Koreans as it is for mindless Americans; it's not in the same place for Kasparov or Sampras as it is for the piker. I want to suggest that not only are the games in different places, they are different games entirely, played for different goals. All the whiny whiteys want to play their particular game and know who is the best at it, but those yellow bastards have taken the gameboard and started doing something completely different and actively destructive to their game. It's not merely a question of high-level and low-level play.
Tho where I come from whining about it either way is strictly prohibited.
Christ it's good to see you, Monty. I don't always want to play against Sampras but I'll never get tired of watching him, that kind of thing. |
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Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by Tom-Foolery Constructor 02/21/2003, 2:29pm PST 
Re: Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by FABIO 02/21/2003, 7:23pm PST 
What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FoK 02/23/2003, 9:37pm PST 
Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FABIO 02/23/2003, 11:01pm PST 
Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by fok 02/23/2003, 11:11pm PST 
Did you even read the initial post? by Senor Barborito 02/23/2003, 11:10pm PST 
Yeah... by fok 02/24/2003, 12:57am PST 
you just rebuted yourself by FABIO 02/24/2003, 10:04am PST 
I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 10:17am PST 
Willful Misunderstanding by Mr. Palomar 02/24/2003, 12:39pm PST 
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:24pm PST 
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:26pm PST 
I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 11:38pm PST 
Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:56am PST 
Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:16pm PST 
Fixed quotes. And hopefully clarified for the final time here. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:24pm PST 
JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by Bill Dungsroman 02/26/2003, 5:21pm PST 
Re: JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by FABIO 02/26/2003, 9:24pm PST 
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/24/2003, 3:25pm PST 
RE: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Alternate789 02/24/2003, 4:16pm PST 
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by curst 02/24/2003, 11:16pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 1:40am PST 
That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 2:16am PST 
Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:35am PST 
Koreans: fast index fingers? by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:17am PST 
No, fast min-max by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:22am PST 
Re: No, fast min-max by ValiumAddict 02/25/2003, 3:39pm PST 
Re: No, fast min-max by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:36pm PDT 
Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:44pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:26am PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:20pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 5:28pm PST 
Queneau plays Black and White by Mr. Palomar 02/25/2003, 5:59pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 7:35pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:40pm PDT 
If you're going to respond to 2003 you could get the title right. NT by Soul Calibur 07/05/2007, 9:42pm PDT 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 3:39am PST 
I used to win money playing Quake regularly by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:41am PST 
"See, I'm really good a video games!" by Irritating kid 02/25/2003, 9:20am PST 
Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by FABIO 02/25/2003, 11:55am PST 
Hey, that's my line. by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:06pm PST 
Video Games, Chess, and Laziness. by mrs. johnson 02/25/2003, 4:40pm PST 
Yes, exactly. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:29pm PST 
Re: Yes, exactly. by mark 02/25/2003, 8:36pm PST 
This argument is pretty much over by now, right? by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 9:08pm PST 
There isn't one strategy for chess that will always win NT by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 11:49pm PST 
that's guy's a fucking crackpot by FABIO 02/25/2003, 6:35pm PST 
I don't know about suspense games, but much of his strategy talk is dead on-nt- by mark 02/25/2003, 6:51pm PST 
it's all DePalma's fault by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:45pm PST 
Re: it's all DePalma's fault by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:44pm PST 
Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:43pm PDT 
This guy is new and already knows SB was crazy and Zseni is bad at everything by Flavilio 07/06/2007, 12:10am PDT 
Battlenet screenname is Balrog200 or soapie on USEast, channel scu NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:32am PDT 
alternatively aim screenname is balrog36 NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:47am PDT 
^^^ This guy loves balrogs. NT by Any and all balrogs. 07/07/2007, 2:57am PDT 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 5:03pm PST 
You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 6:57pm PST 
Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:51pm PST 
Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 8:17pm PST 
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 8:00pm PST 
StarScripts are tomorrow's Blueprints by Fussbett 10/30/2006, 11:30pm PST 
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