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You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 2:27am PDT
This possibly comes back to me not finishing highschool, but I don't have a fucking clue what most of that last post had to do with gun ownership. At least Ray's point - that the only things standing between the PTB's cameras and his private thoughts are cold steel and hot lead - makes sense if he's Bruce Willis in Mercury Rising (which, to be fair, he could be). I can't imagine how many Jerry Bruckheimers it would take to realize your vision of a world in which our commitment to noble ideals springs from the man-killing products that we buy.

I think somewhere near the beginning you said that lots of people want to kill themselves but worry about being misunderstood. Like, maybe CSI would assume their death was just an accident when in fact it was meant as an affirmation of their personal commitment to social responsibility or affirmative action or whatever. That's less an argument for guns than it is for suicide notes.

Then you said that ethnic diversity leads to anarchy. I suspect this makes you a closet anti-semite, even though I can't prove it because you didn't come right out and specify which ethnicity is to blame (Jews). Oh, and somewhere between these last two points you reminded me how many chances Saddam had to comply with UN Resolutions - not ones about the destruction of Israel, real ones - and how his failure made it legal for the UN to declare war on terror. This proved something about my commitment (or lack thereof?) to ideals like LAW and JUSTICE and such that flew right over my head.

Okay, then you started talking about Hitler and Stalin and at first you made them sound really great, like they were solving problems and stuff. Then you dropped the hammer and I was like, maybe they weren't so great after all? I must say that noticing words like "protocols" and "bureaucracies" as I skimmed these paragraphs really made my blood boil. I get enough of those at the DMV, am I right?

Finally you got to what looked like the meat of your argument: owning a gun is a good way of demonstrating personal responsibility, because if you aren't responsible enough you could end up hurting yourself or someone else. Also usury is good for the same reason. Topping it all off was the suggestion that guns are exactly the same as cars, booze and crystal meth, the only difference being that those products have uses which don't involve making things bleed from a distance.

I think that about covers it, so here are my responses:

You could try to make it work by taking the guns out of the picture, but it's not like you're going to take them away from the cops or the military, right?


I support disarmament across the board. I don't need armed agents of the state patrolling my streets any more than I need armed yahoos fingering their Glocks when I pass them in a dark alleyway, especially when they're the same people. Nor do I require a nuclear deterrent to stop me from marching on Stalingrad, or feel especially comforted by the knowledge that should Putin push the button, someone else would respond in kind.

To take on the case of VTech directly: the cops and laws we already had weren't enough to stop a single shooter at Virginia Tech!


Maybe you need different laws?
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Jack to Bill Gates: please stop developing Counter-Strike, Lost Vikings by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/18/2007, 8:18pm PDT NEW
    Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Jack Thompson 04/18/2007, 9:05pm PDT NEW
        What do people make of this man? I'm at a loss. Please crack a joke. NT by Quentin Beck 04/18/2007, 11:41pm PDT NEW
            HE WEARS A *SUIT AND TIE* HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NT by Grumah 04/19/2007, 6:11pm PDT NEW
        Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/19/2007, 12:19am PDT NEW
            Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 12:59am PDT NEW
                Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/19/2007, 1:36am PDT NEW
                    Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/19/2007, 3:03am PDT NEW
                        Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 5:19pm PDT NEW
                            The plane hit the tourbus while she was sleeping in it, after Diary of a Madman. by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 11:09pm PDT NEW
                                What happened to Janeanendsfd Garaflfor then? by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/20/2007, 8:57am PDT NEW
                                Thats Randy Rhodes :( NT by Grumah 04/23/2007, 4:51am PDT NEW
    Re: Jack to Bill Gates: please stop developing Counter-Strike, Lost Vikings by laudablepuss 04/19/2007, 2:24am PDT NEW
        I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by Mischief Maker 04/19/2007, 9:53am PDT NEW
            Re: I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by laudablepuss 04/19/2007, 2:16pm PDT NEW
                Re: I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/19/2007, 5:03pm PDT NEW
                    Son, let me explain. by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 7:16pm PDT NEW
                        yeah, it's great that people who have been committed can buy NT by a gun 04/19/2007, 8:01pm PDT NEW
                            You tell 'em kid! by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 8:46pm PDT NEW
                        You've gotta admit... by Mischief Maker 04/19/2007, 8:44pm PDT NEW
                            Re: You've gotta admit... by Zseni (shoots with Mother on Sats.) 04/19/2007, 10:25pm PDT NEW
                                This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and guns. by Jerry Whorebach 04/19/2007, 11:54pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and g by Zseni (shoots with Mother on Sats.) 04/20/2007, 6:24am PDT NEW
                                        Honchoversy by Ray of Light 04/20/2007, 9:17pm PDT NEW
                                            "[T]he idle monied class amuse themselves by surveilling everyone else..." NT by Is about where you lost me. --JW 04/21/2007, 1:54am PDT NEW
                                                I want you back! by Ray of Light 04/21/2007, 5:28am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: I want you back! by Mischief Maker 04/21/2007, 5:46am PDT NEW
                                                        Re: I want you back! by Ray of Light 04/21/2007, 1:42pm PDT NEW
                                                            Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=freedom. by Jerry Whorebach 04/22/2007, 2:48am PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=free by Zseni 04/26/2007, 8:04pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=free by Mischief Maker 04/26/2007, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Forgive me, Majesty. I am a vulgar man! But I assure you, my music is not. NT by Zseni 04/26/2007, 8:48pm PDT NEW
                                                                    You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 2:27am PDT NEW
                                                                        Re: You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Zseni 04/27/2007, 6:24am PDT NEW
                                                                            Maybe it's time I grow up, buy a gun and go shooting with mom on weekends ^_^ NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 6:32am PDT NEW
                                                                                All I'm saying is: do you think the only reason Putin has nukes is by Zseni 04/27/2007, 6:57am PDT NEW
                                                                                    Hmm, perhaps it's time me and Romeo Dallaire pulled our heads out of the sand. NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 7:26am PDT NEW
                                                                                    I'm starting to see where Zseni's coming from by Mischief Maker 04/27/2007, 8:14am PDT NEW
                                                                                        Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Zseni 04/27/2007, 4:41pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by I need clarification 04/27/2007, 7:19pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                PS. I didn't mean to imply Palestine is a real country, or they are real people. NT by I need clarification 04/27/2007, 7:19pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Zseni 04/27/2007, 8:16pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                The lead singer of the Pussy Cat Dolls is half Filipino. by Quentin Beck 04/27/2007, 9:02pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Quentin Beck 04/27/2007, 8:53pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            I know suburban republican slumloards who would rather give their workers NT by groceries and crack money 04/27/2007, 11:06pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 12:28am PDT NEW
                                                                                                Re: Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Zseni 04/28/2007, 5:57am PDT NEW
                                                                                                    Re: Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/28/2007, 6:39am PDT NEW
                                                                                                    "The very particular and very American conditions..." smell like bullshit to me. by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 9:11am PDT NEW
                                                                                            Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Mischief Maker 04/28/2007, 9:59am PDT NEW
                                                                                                Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Zseni 04/28/2007, 11:36am PDT NEW
                                                                                                    THIS IS WORSE THAN READING A WIKI NT by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/28/2007, 7:19pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                    Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 9:24pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                    Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Mischief Maker 04/29/2007, 7:51am PDT NEW
                                                                                            "She was a wonderful person" by words matter 10/15/2025, 9:42am PDT NEW
                                                                                                Re: "She was a wonderful person" by Mysterio 10/16/2025, 9:03am PDT NEW
                                                                                    I like Jerry's idea. by Worm 04/27/2007, 10:27pm PDT NEW
                                                                    If only everyone had been packing that day, VTech deaths would have been stopped by Flavio 04/28/2007, 1:07am PDT NEW
                                                                        Bullets can't stop EVIL SPIRITS. by Jerry Whorebach 04/30/2007, 3:48am PDT NEW
                                                    Crossbow, printing press, whatever. by Jerry Whorebach 04/22/2007, 2:34am PDT NEW
                                                        yeah, we lost the right to own, rape, and kill people NT by south carolina 04/22/2007, 8:26pm PDT NEW
                                Re: You've gotta admit... by Mischief Maker 04/20/2007, 10:10am PDT NEW
                                    I WANT AN EXOSKELETON! by Zseni 04/20/2007, 7:57pm PDT NEW
                                        Though if you REALLY want to rape-proof yourself... by Mischief Maker 04/20/2007, 8:29pm PDT NEW
                                Re: You've gotta admit... by I need clarification 04/20/2007, 9:30pm PDT NEW
                                    Oh look, it's INC! NT by Zseni 04/20/2007, 9:39pm PDT NEW
                                    Fuck I forgot my punchline by I need clarification 04/20/2007, 9:54pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Fuck I forgot my punchline by Furcifer 04/21/2007, 11:13am PDT NEW
                        Re: Son, let me explain. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 8:57pm PDT NEW
                            Great points! by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 9:01pm PDT NEW
                            Man libertarians get no love. NT by John Stossel 04/19/2007, 9:07pm PDT NEW
                        Even if I had the right to carry a gun (two guns?) I still wouldn't do it :( NT by So how do they help me? 04/19/2007, 9:18pm PDT NEW
                            We really need to just ban diving through the air in slow motion. NT by Worm 04/19/2007, 10:37pm PDT NEW
 
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