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by Mischief Maker 04/29/2007, 7:51am PDT |
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Zseni wrote:
You and Whorebach are both HORRIBLE at summing up my arguments, because you keep trying to make me say guns = freedom, when instead I'm saying {stuff that organizes American politics and law} + {human nature} = {particular social order}, and a subset of this particular social order is gun ownership and gun owners. You can't grasp this point any more than you can tell me what you'll do with the labia-snippers.
So... if I get this straight, you're saying America is a big cultural melting pot, armed nutjobs are part of that melting pot, and any attempt to keep guns out of the hands of deeply disturbed english majors would be insensitive, right?
Because: in order to stay on your respective Disneyland tracks, you have to marginalize or erase the labia-snippers - and with them, you will also have to annihilate all the other divisive and potentially violent or violence-causing elements of the human race: fundamentalists of all stripes, rabid nationalists, rabid national socialists, politicians (!), gender differences (!!!)
Ha! You don't need guns to keep women in line.
, etc. Then also, in general, everything that has ever caused a person to physically hurt another person, including, from every individual human mind, the elements of ambition, prejudice, lust, greed, and sadism. Then we must remove those elements which cause people to seek dominance over others: status anxiety, psychological illness - the definitions of which must be revised and expanded considerably, hunger, thirst, you know, just a few tidbits here or there, a few evolutionary burps that we will all be much better off without.
In order to save humanity, you have to purify it!
It's rough, not owning a gun. The other day I was walking down the street and I saw a mormon. Our eyes locked. A momentary glance at each other was all we needed to know we did not have the same spiritual views. He made the first move, leaping at me with his lips pulled back and teeth bared to the gums. I punched him in the stomach and reached for his throat, but before I could catch him he dodged to the side and sunk his teeth into my shoulder. I screamed in rage and threw my weight back and we both crashed to the ground. He began scratching and tearing at my face, and I kicked and spit to keep him from ripping out my eyes. Then I spotted his bible, just within reach. I grabbed it and threw it into traffic. The momentary distraction gave me time enough to turn the tables, and I began smashing his skull into the pavement. By the third time he was unconscious. And for a moment it occured to me that it didn't have to be like this. If we owned guns, we could have just passed each other on the street and tolerated our differences, every day wouldn't have to be a life or death struggle with everyone who didn't share my worldview. But I wasn't willing to go so far as to buy a gun, so I smashed his skull one final time against the pavement and splattered his brans. That was nothing compared to the naderite I ran into on the next block. In my disarmed world, the bloodshed could never end until the purification was complete.
People really can Just Get Along and you've laughed at me so hard that I now realize my place in the Just Getting Along scheme of things: at the bottom, or dead, along with all the other scary freaks.
Is this your way of saying we'll only get your guns if we pry them from your cold dead hands?
The world will, once people like me are done away with, erupt into a mutual and all-encompassing trust and love - a trust and love neither of you have managed to extend to me for even as short a time as we've spent in this argument. Rather than summoning up any understanding, or even one mote of that universal compassion with which you assume every shore of the future will be washed, you've spent this whole time demonizing me and stamping Wingnut Grade 1 on my forehead.
Well yeah.
Yes, imposing peace and long life on people is fascism. Mandatory transhumanism is fascism. You two are just the fascists to do it! Personally I would rather snip off my labia and eat the last bullet ever fired.
Oh shit! She's knows our plot! Once the last of the guns are confiscated, there will be nothing to stop our attack-lobsters, to say nothing of our dynamite-toting owls! |
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Jack to Bill Gates: please stop developing Counter-Strike, Lost Vikings by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/18/2007, 8:18pm PDT 
Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Jack Thompson 04/18/2007, 9:05pm PDT
What do people make of this man? I'm at a loss. Please crack a joke. NT by Quentin Beck 04/18/2007, 11:41pm PDT
HE WEARS A *SUIT AND TIE* HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NT by Grumah 04/19/2007, 6:11pm PDT
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/19/2007, 12:19am PDT
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 12:59am PDT
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/19/2007, 1:36am PDT
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/19/2007, 3:03am PDT
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 5:19pm PDT
The plane hit the tourbus while she was sleeping in it, after Diary of a Madman. by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 11:09pm PDT
What happened to Janeanendsfd Garaflfor then? by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/20/2007, 8:57am PDT
Thats Randy Rhodes :( NT by Grumah 04/23/2007, 4:51am PDT
Re: Jack to Bill Gates: please stop developing Counter-Strike, Lost Vikings by laudablepuss 04/19/2007, 2:24am PDT
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by Mischief Maker 04/19/2007, 9:53am PDT
Re: I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by laudablepuss 04/19/2007, 2:16pm PDT
Re: I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/19/2007, 5:03pm PDT
Son, let me explain. by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 7:16pm PDT
yeah, it's great that people who have been committed can buy NT by a gun 04/19/2007, 8:01pm PDT
You tell 'em kid! by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 8:46pm PDT
You've gotta admit... by Mischief Maker 04/19/2007, 8:44pm PDT
Re: You've gotta admit... by Zseni (shoots with Mother on Sats.) 04/19/2007, 10:25pm PDT
This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and guns. by Jerry Whorebach 04/19/2007, 11:54pm PDT
Re: This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and g by Zseni (shoots with Mother on Sats.) 04/20/2007, 6:24am PDT
Honchoversy by Ray of Light 04/20/2007, 9:17pm PDT
"[T]he idle monied class amuse themselves by surveilling everyone else..." NT by Is about where you lost me. --JW 04/21/2007, 1:54am PDT
I want you back! by Ray of Light 04/21/2007, 5:28am PDT
Re: I want you back! by Mischief Maker 04/21/2007, 5:46am PDT
Re: I want you back! by Ray of Light 04/21/2007, 1:42pm PDT
Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=freedom. by Jerry Whorebach 04/22/2007, 2:48am PDT
Re: Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=free by Zseni 04/26/2007, 8:04pm PDT
Re: Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=free by Mischief Maker 04/26/2007, 8:15pm PDT
Forgive me, Majesty. I am a vulgar man! But I assure you, my music is not. NT by Zseni 04/26/2007, 8:48pm PDT
You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 2:27am PDT
Re: You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Zseni 04/27/2007, 6:24am PDT
Maybe it's time I grow up, buy a gun and go shooting with mom on weekends ^_^ NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 6:32am PDT
All I'm saying is: do you think the only reason Putin has nukes is by Zseni 04/27/2007, 6:57am PDT
Hmm, perhaps it's time me and Romeo Dallaire pulled our heads out of the sand. NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 7:26am PDT
I'm starting to see where Zseni's coming from by Mischief Maker 04/27/2007, 8:14am PDT
Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Zseni 04/27/2007, 4:41pm PDT
Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by I need clarification 04/27/2007, 7:19pm PDT
PS. I didn't mean to imply Palestine is a real country, or they are real people. NT by I need clarification 04/27/2007, 7:19pm PDT
Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Zseni 04/27/2007, 8:16pm PDT
The lead singer of the Pussy Cat Dolls is half Filipino. by Quentin Beck 04/27/2007, 9:02pm PDT
Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Quentin Beck 04/27/2007, 8:53pm PDT
I know suburban republican slumloards who would rather give their workers NT by groceries and crack money 04/27/2007, 11:06pm PDT
Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 12:28am PDT
Re: Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Zseni 04/28/2007, 5:57am PDT
Re: Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/28/2007, 6:39am PDT
"The very particular and very American conditions..." smell like bullshit to me. by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 9:11am PDT
Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Mischief Maker 04/28/2007, 9:59am PDT
Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Zseni 04/28/2007, 11:36am PDT
THIS IS WORSE THAN READING A WIKI NT by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/28/2007, 7:19pm PDT
Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 9:24pm PDT
Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Mischief Maker 04/29/2007, 7:51am PDT
"She was a wonderful person" by words matter 10/15/2025, 9:42am PDT
Re: "She was a wonderful person" by Mysterio 10/16/2025, 9:03am PDT
I like Jerry's idea. by Worm 04/27/2007, 10:27pm PDT
If only everyone had been packing that day, VTech deaths would have been stopped by Flavio 04/28/2007, 1:07am PDT
Bullets can't stop EVIL SPIRITS. by Jerry Whorebach 04/30/2007, 3:48am PDT
Crossbow, printing press, whatever. by Jerry Whorebach 04/22/2007, 2:34am PDT
yeah, we lost the right to own, rape, and kill people NT by south carolina 04/22/2007, 8:26pm PDT
Re: You've gotta admit... by Mischief Maker 04/20/2007, 10:10am PDT
I WANT AN EXOSKELETON! by Zseni 04/20/2007, 7:57pm PDT
Though if you REALLY want to rape-proof yourself... by Mischief Maker 04/20/2007, 8:29pm PDT
Re: You've gotta admit... by I need clarification 04/20/2007, 9:30pm PDT
Oh look, it's INC! NT by Zseni 04/20/2007, 9:39pm PDT
Fuck I forgot my punchline by I need clarification 04/20/2007, 9:54pm PDT
Re: Fuck I forgot my punchline by Furcifer 04/21/2007, 11:13am PDT
Re: Son, let me explain. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 8:57pm PDT
Great points! by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 9:01pm PDT
Man libertarians get no love. NT by John Stossel 04/19/2007, 9:07pm PDT
Even if I had the right to carry a gun (two guns?) I still wouldn't do it :( NT by So how do they help me? 04/19/2007, 9:18pm PDT
We really need to just ban diving through the air in slow motion. NT by Worm 04/19/2007, 10:37pm PDT
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