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This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and guns. by Jerry Whorebach 04/19/2007, 11:54pm PDT
Zseni wrote:

Guns represent tons of stuff to tons of people, but they can and should represent a fundamental right to everyone: the right to end your own life, swiftly, when you don't feel like living it anymore. Laugh if you like, but if someone else is picking when you can and can't die, then your ass is in trouble.


Yes, guns are clearly preferable to all the other means of committing suicide, especially heroin. In fact, it might actually be harder to kill yourself by hanging with guns around, because someone would always have to show off by shooting the rope.

Is there any basic human right with which whatever retarded product or service Americans want this time isn't inextricably linked?

Zseni wrote:

Guns are worth having because the having of them demonstrates that there are things more important than just living and fates that are worse than just dying. That idea is worth a whole ton of accidental gunshot victims. It's an incredibly valuable idea. And gun ownership is the only civil right with an appreciable body count, which underlines, bolds, and italics-faces our commitment to this fundamental concept!


Later, in this very post, you go on to say that everything else we do also has an appreciable body count. Doesn't that go a long way toward affirming our collective commitment to your pet principle? Or do we also have to deal with the annoyance of getting drawn down on every time we leave a club with another man's girl?

Zseni wrote:

Guns should also represent the right and responsibility of self-defense. People who demurely and oh-so-coyly life their hands to heaven and exclaim "even if I could, I wouldn't" are fooling themselves. You push a hundred thousand slow deaths upon the people of this planet every morning: in the exhaust of your car, the price of your coffee, the chicken in your breakfast burrito, the shirt on your back. Everything you do as a citizen of a modern Western nation is the product of other people's grief, sweat, and disadvantage. This slo-mo violence at a distance, this sanctioned slaughter - the inherent and inescapable violence of capitalism, which wrings from the loser and gives to the winner - is your birthright. I'm not telling you to stop it. HEY, LUCKY YOU. But I am saying that it's disingenuous to complain that you wouldn't shoot a guy who's threatening your life, let's throw out all the guns already. You'll kill a whole planet before you start biking to work, jackass, so don't get precious with me. What you resent is the immediacy, and more than that, the responsibility. The same fucktard who's all "oh I couldn't possibly!!!" has no problem calling the cops and having the state exterminate a human on his behalf. He has no problems or concerns about the grotesque and violent death of the criminal in state custody. He just doesn't want to get his hands dirty.


Capitalism, the greenhouse effect, the death penalty and swap.avi are all probably much worse than guns. So people who like those things and dislike guns are somehow wronger than those who like those things and like guns, somehow.

Zseni wrote:

Purely as a feminist, I favor any technology that obliterates the physical advantages men enjoy over women. Women, of course, need to step up to the plate on this one, but at least the tools are there. Removing the right to bear arms just because women's lives are potentially endangered by guns - it's remarkably similar to the idea that removing Saddam Hussein will help protect endangered Iraqi women. The same specious reasoning is at work, and in each case it hides the same fundamental flaw: that somehow, magically, the world without this ONE thing which endangers the ladies will become much safer for women than it ever has been previously. In both cases the fundamental causes of violence against women are ignored in favor of attacking the tools of violence.


Now we're getting somewhere. You want the right to carry a gun because I have the right to carry a penis. How about this: we give every woman a gun and a free pass to shoot any man who's threatening her. The catch is, if any man manages to domestic abuse and/or date rape a woman without getting shot, we can safely assume she was asking for it. I think this might satisfy everyone.
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Jack to Bill Gates: please stop developing Counter-Strike, Lost Vikings by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/18/2007, 8:18pm PDT NEW
    Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Jack Thompson 04/18/2007, 9:05pm PDT NEW
        What do people make of this man? I'm at a loss. Please crack a joke. NT by Quentin Beck 04/18/2007, 11:41pm PDT NEW
            HE WEARS A *SUIT AND TIE* HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NT by Grumah 04/19/2007, 6:11pm PDT NEW
        Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/19/2007, 12:19am PDT NEW
            Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 12:59am PDT NEW
                Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/19/2007, 1:36am PDT NEW
                    Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/19/2007, 3:03am PDT NEW
                        Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 5:19pm PDT NEW
                            The plane hit the tourbus while she was sleeping in it, after Diary of a Madman. by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 11:09pm PDT NEW
                                What happened to Janeanendsfd Garaflfor then? by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/20/2007, 8:57am PDT NEW
                                Thats Randy Rhodes :( NT by Grumah 04/23/2007, 4:51am PDT NEW
    Re: Jack to Bill Gates: please stop developing Counter-Strike, Lost Vikings by laudablepuss 04/19/2007, 2:24am PDT NEW
        I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by Mischief Maker 04/19/2007, 9:53am PDT NEW
            Re: I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by laudablepuss 04/19/2007, 2:16pm PDT NEW
                Re: I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/19/2007, 5:03pm PDT NEW
                    Son, let me explain. by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 7:16pm PDT NEW
                        yeah, it's great that people who have been committed can buy NT by a gun 04/19/2007, 8:01pm PDT NEW
                            You tell 'em kid! by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 8:46pm PDT NEW
                        You've gotta admit... by Mischief Maker 04/19/2007, 8:44pm PDT NEW
                            Re: You've gotta admit... by Zseni (shoots with Mother on Sats.) 04/19/2007, 10:25pm PDT NEW
                                This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and guns. by Jerry Whorebach 04/19/2007, 11:54pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and g by Zseni (shoots with Mother on Sats.) 04/20/2007, 6:24am PDT NEW
                                        Honchoversy by Ray of Light 04/20/2007, 9:17pm PDT NEW
                                            "[T]he idle monied class amuse themselves by surveilling everyone else..." NT by Is about where you lost me. --JW 04/21/2007, 1:54am PDT NEW
                                                I want you back! by Ray of Light 04/21/2007, 5:28am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: I want you back! by Mischief Maker 04/21/2007, 5:46am PDT NEW
                                                        Re: I want you back! by Ray of Light 04/21/2007, 1:42pm PDT NEW
                                                            Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=freedom. by Jerry Whorebach 04/22/2007, 2:48am PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=free by Zseni 04/26/2007, 8:04pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=free by Mischief Maker 04/26/2007, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Forgive me, Majesty. I am a vulgar man! But I assure you, my music is not. NT by Zseni 04/26/2007, 8:48pm PDT NEW
                                                                    You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 2:27am PDT NEW
                                                                        Re: You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Zseni 04/27/2007, 6:24am PDT NEW
                                                                            Maybe it's time I grow up, buy a gun and go shooting with mom on weekends ^_^ NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 6:32am PDT NEW
                                                                                All I'm saying is: do you think the only reason Putin has nukes is by Zseni 04/27/2007, 6:57am PDT NEW
                                                                                    Hmm, perhaps it's time me and Romeo Dallaire pulled our heads out of the sand. NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 7:26am PDT NEW
                                                                                    I'm starting to see where Zseni's coming from by Mischief Maker 04/27/2007, 8:14am PDT NEW
                                                                                        Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Zseni 04/27/2007, 4:41pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by I need clarification 04/27/2007, 7:19pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                PS. I didn't mean to imply Palestine is a real country, or they are real people. NT by I need clarification 04/27/2007, 7:19pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Zseni 04/27/2007, 8:16pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                The lead singer of the Pussy Cat Dolls is half Filipino. by Quentin Beck 04/27/2007, 9:02pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Quentin Beck 04/27/2007, 8:53pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            I know suburban republican slumloards who would rather give their workers NT by groceries and crack money 04/27/2007, 11:06pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 12:28am PDT NEW
                                                                                                Re: Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Zseni 04/28/2007, 5:57am PDT NEW
                                                                                                    Re: Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/28/2007, 6:39am PDT NEW
                                                                                                    "The very particular and very American conditions..." smell like bullshit to me. by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 9:11am PDT NEW
                                                                                            Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Mischief Maker 04/28/2007, 9:59am PDT NEW
                                                                                                Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Zseni 04/28/2007, 11:36am PDT NEW
                                                                                                    THIS IS WORSE THAN READING A WIKI NT by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/28/2007, 7:19pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                    Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 9:24pm PDT NEW
                                                                                                    Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Mischief Maker 04/29/2007, 7:51am PDT NEW
                                                                                            "She was a wonderful person" by words matter 10/15/2025, 9:42am PDT NEW
                                                                                                Re: "She was a wonderful person" by Mysterio 10/16/2025, 9:03am PDT NEW
                                                                                    I like Jerry's idea. by Worm 04/27/2007, 10:27pm PDT NEW
                                                                    If only everyone had been packing that day, VTech deaths would have been stopped by Flavio 04/28/2007, 1:07am PDT NEW
                                                                        Bullets can't stop EVIL SPIRITS. by Jerry Whorebach 04/30/2007, 3:48am PDT NEW
                                                    Crossbow, printing press, whatever. by Jerry Whorebach 04/22/2007, 2:34am PDT NEW
                                                        yeah, we lost the right to own, rape, and kill people NT by south carolina 04/22/2007, 8:26pm PDT NEW
                                Re: You've gotta admit... by Mischief Maker 04/20/2007, 10:10am PDT NEW
                                    I WANT AN EXOSKELETON! by Zseni 04/20/2007, 7:57pm PDT NEW
                                        Though if you REALLY want to rape-proof yourself... by Mischief Maker 04/20/2007, 8:29pm PDT NEW
                                Re: You've gotta admit... by I need clarification 04/20/2007, 9:30pm PDT NEW
                                    Oh look, it's INC! NT by Zseni 04/20/2007, 9:39pm PDT NEW
                                    Fuck I forgot my punchline by I need clarification 04/20/2007, 9:54pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Fuck I forgot my punchline by Furcifer 04/21/2007, 11:13am PDT NEW
                        Re: Son, let me explain. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 8:57pm PDT NEW
                            Great points! by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 9:01pm PDT NEW
                            Man libertarians get no love. NT by John Stossel 04/19/2007, 9:07pm PDT NEW
                        Even if I had the right to carry a gun (two guns?) I still wouldn't do it :( NT by So how do they help me? 04/19/2007, 9:18pm PDT NEW
                            We really need to just ban diving through the air in slow motion. NT by Worm 04/19/2007, 10:37pm PDT NEW
 
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