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Jack Thompson's Fake $10,000 Charity Challenge
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by Jerry Whorebach 04/19/2007, 11:54pm PDT |
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Zseni wrote:
Guns represent tons of stuff to tons of people, but they can and should represent a fundamental right to everyone: the right to end your own life, swiftly, when you don't feel like living it anymore. Laugh if you like, but if someone else is picking when you can and can't die, then your ass is in trouble.
Yes, guns are clearly preferable to all the other means of committing suicide, especially heroin. In fact, it might actually be harder to kill yourself by hanging with guns around, because someone would always have to show off by shooting the rope.
Is there any basic human right with which whatever retarded product or service Americans want this time isn't inextricably linked?
Zseni wrote:
Guns are worth having because the having of them demonstrates that there are things more important than just living and fates that are worse than just dying. That idea is worth a whole ton of accidental gunshot victims. It's an incredibly valuable idea. And gun ownership is the only civil right with an appreciable body count, which underlines, bolds, and italics-faces our commitment to this fundamental concept!
Later, in this very post, you go on to say that everything else we do also has an appreciable body count. Doesn't that go a long way toward affirming our collective commitment to your pet principle? Or do we also have to deal with the annoyance of getting drawn down on every time we leave a club with another man's girl?
Zseni wrote:
Guns should also represent the right and responsibility of self-defense. People who demurely and oh-so-coyly life their hands to heaven and exclaim "even if I could, I wouldn't" are fooling themselves. You push a hundred thousand slow deaths upon the people of this planet every morning: in the exhaust of your car, the price of your coffee, the chicken in your breakfast burrito, the shirt on your back. Everything you do as a citizen of a modern Western nation is the product of other people's grief, sweat, and disadvantage. This slo-mo violence at a distance, this sanctioned slaughter - the inherent and inescapable violence of capitalism, which wrings from the loser and gives to the winner - is your birthright. I'm not telling you to stop it. HEY, LUCKY YOU. But I am saying that it's disingenuous to complain that you wouldn't shoot a guy who's threatening your life, let's throw out all the guns already. You'll kill a whole planet before you start biking to work, jackass, so don't get precious with me. What you resent is the immediacy, and more than that, the responsibility. The same fucktard who's all "oh I couldn't possibly!!!" has no problem calling the cops and having the state exterminate a human on his behalf. He has no problems or concerns about the grotesque and violent death of the criminal in state custody. He just doesn't want to get his hands dirty.
Capitalism, the greenhouse effect, the death penalty and swap.avi are all probably much worse than guns. So people who like those things and dislike guns are somehow wronger than those who like those things and like guns, somehow.
Zseni wrote:
Purely as a feminist, I favor any technology that obliterates the physical advantages men enjoy over women. Women, of course, need to step up to the plate on this one, but at least the tools are there. Removing the right to bear arms just because women's lives are potentially endangered by guns - it's remarkably similar to the idea that removing Saddam Hussein will help protect endangered Iraqi women. The same specious reasoning is at work, and in each case it hides the same fundamental flaw: that somehow, magically, the world without this ONE thing which endangers the ladies will become much safer for women than it ever has been previously. In both cases the fundamental causes of violence against women are ignored in favor of attacking the tools of violence.
Now we're getting somewhere. You want the right to carry a gun because I have the right to carry a penis. How about this: we give every woman a gun and a free pass to shoot any man who's threatening her. The catch is, if any man manages to domestic abuse and/or date rape a woman without getting shot, we can safely assume she was asking for it. I think this might satisfy everyone. |
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Jack to Bill Gates: please stop developing Counter-Strike, Lost Vikings by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/18/2007, 8:18pm PDT 
Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Jack Thompson 04/18/2007, 9:05pm PDT 
What do people make of this man? I'm at a loss. Please crack a joke. NT by Quentin Beck 04/18/2007, 11:41pm PDT 
HE WEARS A *SUIT AND TIE* HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NT by Grumah 04/19/2007, 6:11pm PDT 
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/19/2007, 12:19am PDT 
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 12:59am PDT 
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/19/2007, 1:36am PDT 
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/19/2007, 3:03am PDT 
Re: Caltrops Fun Fax are the 9/11 of deliberately misleading statements. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 5:19pm PDT 
The plane hit the tourbus while she was sleeping in it, after Diary of a Madman. by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 11:09pm PDT 
What happened to Janeanendsfd Garaflfor then? by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/20/2007, 8:57am PDT 
Thats Randy Rhodes :( NT by Grumah 04/23/2007, 4:51am PDT 
Re: Jack to Bill Gates: please stop developing Counter-Strike, Lost Vikings by laudablepuss 04/19/2007, 2:24am PDT 
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by Mischief Maker 04/19/2007, 9:53am PDT 
Re: I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by laudablepuss 04/19/2007, 2:16pm PDT 
Re: I think we've all learned a valuable lesson about gun control by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/19/2007, 5:03pm PDT 
Son, let me explain. by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 7:16pm PDT 
yeah, it's great that people who have been committed can buy NT by a gun 04/19/2007, 8:01pm PDT 
You tell 'em kid! by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 8:46pm PDT 
You've gotta admit... by Mischief Maker 04/19/2007, 8:44pm PDT 
Re: You've gotta admit... by Zseni (shoots with Mother on Sats.) 04/19/2007, 10:25pm PDT 
This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and guns. by Jerry Whorebach 04/19/2007, 11:54pm PDT 
Re: This is a pretty damning indictment of moral hypocrisy. Let's ban that and g by Zseni (shoots with Mother on Sats.) 04/20/2007, 6:24am PDT 
Honchoversy by Ray of Light 04/20/2007, 9:17pm PDT 
"[T]he idle monied class amuse themselves by surveilling everyone else..." NT by Is about where you lost me. --JW 04/21/2007, 1:54am PDT 
I want you back! by Ray of Light 04/21/2007, 5:28am PDT 
Re: I want you back! by Mischief Maker 04/21/2007, 5:46am PDT 
Re: I want you back! by Ray of Light 04/21/2007, 1:42pm PDT 
Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=freedom. by Jerry Whorebach 04/22/2007, 2:48am PDT 
Re: Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=free by Zseni 04/26/2007, 8:04pm PDT 
Re: Iraq is probably the best argument against the idea that guns+civilians=free by Mischief Maker 04/26/2007, 8:15pm PDT 
Forgive me, Majesty. I am a vulgar man! But I assure you, my music is not. NT by Zseni 04/26/2007, 8:48pm PDT 
You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 2:27am PDT 
Re: You make lots of good points! Except the ones about guns, of course. by Zseni 04/27/2007, 6:24am PDT 
Maybe it's time I grow up, buy a gun and go shooting with mom on weekends ^_^ NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 6:32am PDT 
All I'm saying is: do you think the only reason Putin has nukes is by Zseni 04/27/2007, 6:57am PDT 
Hmm, perhaps it's time me and Romeo Dallaire pulled our heads out of the sand. NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2007, 7:26am PDT 
I'm starting to see where Zseni's coming from by Mischief Maker 04/27/2007, 8:14am PDT 
Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Zseni 04/27/2007, 4:41pm PDT 
Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by I need clarification 04/27/2007, 7:19pm PDT 
PS. I didn't mean to imply Palestine is a real country, or they are real people. NT by I need clarification 04/27/2007, 7:19pm PDT 
Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Zseni 04/27/2007, 8:16pm PDT 
The lead singer of the Pussy Cat Dolls is half Filipino. by Quentin Beck 04/27/2007, 9:02pm PDT 
Re: Oh honey, why do you fight the fist? by Quentin Beck 04/27/2007, 8:53pm PDT 
I know suburban republican slumloards who would rather give their workers NT by groceries and crack money 04/27/2007, 11:06pm PDT 
Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 12:28am PDT 
Re: Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Zseni 04/28/2007, 5:57am PDT 
Re: Only a facist would try to impose peace and long life on everyone. by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/28/2007, 6:39am PDT 
"The very particular and very American conditions..." smell like bullshit to me. by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 9:11am PDT 
Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Mischief Maker 04/28/2007, 9:59am PDT 
Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Zseni 04/28/2007, 11:36am PDT 
THIS IS WORSE THAN READING A WIKI NT by Jhoh Cable o_O 04/28/2007, 7:19pm PDT 
Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2007, 9:24pm PDT 
Re: Oh darling, why do you talk to the hand? by Mischief Maker 04/29/2007, 7:51am PDT 
"She was a wonderful person" by words matter 10/15/2025, 9:42am PDT 
Re: "She was a wonderful person" by Mysterio 10/16/2025, 9:03am PDT 
I like Jerry's idea. by Worm 04/27/2007, 10:27pm PDT 
If only everyone had been packing that day, VTech deaths would have been stopped by Flavio 04/28/2007, 1:07am PDT 
Bullets can't stop EVIL SPIRITS. by Jerry Whorebach 04/30/2007, 3:48am PDT 
Crossbow, printing press, whatever. by Jerry Whorebach 04/22/2007, 2:34am PDT 
yeah, we lost the right to own, rape, and kill people NT by south carolina 04/22/2007, 8:26pm PDT 
Re: You've gotta admit... by Mischief Maker 04/20/2007, 10:10am PDT 
I WANT AN EXOSKELETON! by Zseni 04/20/2007, 7:57pm PDT 
Though if you REALLY want to rape-proof yourself... by Mischief Maker 04/20/2007, 8:29pm PDT 
Re: You've gotta admit... by I need clarification 04/20/2007, 9:30pm PDT 
Oh look, it's INC! NT by Zseni 04/20/2007, 9:39pm PDT 
Fuck I forgot my punchline by I need clarification 04/20/2007, 9:54pm PDT 
Re: Fuck I forgot my punchline by Furcifer 04/21/2007, 11:13am PDT 
Re: Son, let me explain. by I need clarification 04/19/2007, 8:57pm PDT 
Great points! by a Liberal Academic 04/19/2007, 9:01pm PDT 
Man libertarians get no love. NT by John Stossel 04/19/2007, 9:07pm PDT 
Even if I had the right to carry a gun (two guns?) I still wouldn't do it :( NT by So how do they help me? 04/19/2007, 9:18pm PDT 
We really need to just ban diving through the air in slow motion. NT by Worm 04/19/2007, 10:37pm PDT 
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