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jesus by FABIO 06/16/2005, 2:14pm PDT
Universal Plan B wrote:

I need clarification wrote:

I'm sure he's not talking about the part where you walk out of that cavern area and Marines are repelling on ropes from a helicopter and being attacked by aliens. That's not at all like a movie. Neither are the other countless moments like that in the game.
OK, scripted game interactions that are not dependent on the player's actions. That was cool, and a good way to do something neat without pulling you out of the game to an in-game cinematic... But I really don't think those bits were the best thing about Half Life. Interestingly, I'd forgotten about most of them until you reminded me. The things that are most in my memory are events that I as a player was more involved with. The first time I was attacked by marines or ninja chicks, some of the more tricky tripwire mine traps, the ichthyosaur, the giant beaked boss in the rocket pit, and other stuff like that.


How were those the slightest bit different from the marines coming out of a helicopter? Enemies showed up via scripted scripted sequences, like in every game ever made, hence it's something the player has no control over? What the fuck?

And I'm pretty sure moments like that were exactly what made Half Life different from any previous shooter.



YOU'RE a massive weak point. I think the above is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. "The people who made this game/movie obviously liked that feature, so you can't just say it's BAD."
It's not that you can't say it's bad. In fact, given the general reaction to matrix bloviation, it's safe to say that it actually is bad. But if you are looking at a feature that 95% of people like, it's usually better to say "I don't like it" rather than "This is bad". You don't look like an ass that way.


You're not actually pulling out the "if it's popular it must be good" argument, are you?

You also tried to godwin with Citizen Kane, but "some people" who hate it because it's ultimately about a sled (which it clearly isn't) are sub-humans. You might not want to submit them as evidence that you have a point.
Given the amount of critical praise and after-the-fact adulation that SS2 has gotten, the folks here saying that it sucks are coming pretty close to that sub-human benchmark that you've just made.


Okay I guess you are.

How does anyone stupid enough to think Citizen Kane is about a sled get to be a professional critic anyways? People who think SS2 sucks are in the same catagory.

You're not even right about that though. Here's a startling fact: System Shock 2 wasn't popular! It sold like crap (a couple tens of thousands of units). The "Citizen Kane sucks" mongloids who drool over it to this day aren't in the majority, they're just louder. Outside one of the fan sites, most people who've played it will say, "The ugly wrench game? Yeah that sucked".


Nobody complains about the creature AI in Doom 3, except to say that there isn't any. Far Cry had complexity, which paradoxically meant that flaws are easier to see.

Seriously, what's the matter with you?

I think it's generally known that ambitious projects are more difficult and harder to pull off with total success.


It doesn't help when it's sabotaged with design decisions that should have been obviously retarded from the start.

SS2 is not the Citizen Kane of games, but it's somewhere up there.


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Something Awful forum posters attempt SS2 love-in, encounter FABIO by Man in Gorilla Suit 06/13/2005, 1:41am PDT NEW
    I have it on good authority that SA fags are worse at games than flabio. NT by Creexul :( 06/13/2005, 2:10am PDT NEW
    I don't even remember writing half this stuff -_0 by FABIO 06/13/2005, 2:49am PDT NEW
        Re: I don't even remember writing half this stuff -_0 by Universal Plan B 06/13/2005, 10:46am PDT NEW
            Re: I don't even remember writing half this stuff -_0 by FABIO 06/13/2005, 12:22pm PDT NEW
                All the proof you need that FABIO has a SS2 vendetta. by Arbit 06/13/2005, 6:22pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Arbit being gay by bombMexico 06/13/2005, 7:51pm PDT NEW
                        Congratulations on coming up to date with news from 2 years ago. by Arbit 06/13/2005, 8:56pm PDT NEW
                            you put me in my place by linking to another thread detailing how much SS2 sucks by bombMexico 06/14/2005, 3:53am PDT NEW
                                Why am I so hostile :'( by Arbit 06/15/2005, 12:15am PDT NEW
                        Re: Arbit being gay by FABIO 06/14/2005, 8:42pm PDT NEW
                    wow NT by FABIO 06/14/2005, 8:53pm PDT NEW
            Influential? by Mischief Maker 06/13/2005, 4:19pm PDT NEW
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                    I'm pretty sure Morrowind took it's inspiration from Daggerfall. NT by Worm 06/14/2005, 12:25am PDT NEW
                        its omgomogmog I mean its SKY FALLING NT by Worm 06/14/2005, 12:26am PDT NEW
                    Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by motherfuckerfoodeater 06/14/2005, 8:26am PDT NEW
                        Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by Universal Plan B 06/14/2005, 10:46am PDT NEW
                            Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by motherfuckerfoodeater 06/14/2005, 11:32am PDT NEW
                                Secondly, I was able to shake enemies all the time. UPB just sucks. NT by Fussbett 06/14/2005, 1:42pm PDT NEW
                                Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by Universal Plan B 06/14/2005, 4:41pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by motherfuckerfoodeater 06/15/2005, 7:29am PDT NEW
                                        Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by Universal Plan B 06/15/2005, 2:23pm PDT NEW
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                            Arbit needs to get laid NT by binkbot 06/15/2005, 2:55am PDT NEW
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                            Are you high, autistic, or just republican? by Mischief Maker 06/15/2005, 2:21pm PDT NEW
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                                            Everyone just calm down. God, we can debate this like adults can't we? by bombMexico 06/15/2005, 10:22pm PDT NEW
                                you caught me! by Zseni 06/15/2005, 5:49pm PDT NEW
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                            I get it, you're the devil's advocate around here, right? NT by new guy 06/15/2005, 8:36pm PDT NEW
                                No, he's just really passionate about his love/lust for crappy games/FABIO NT by Mischief Maker 06/15/2005, 11:32pm PDT NEW
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                                    The obsession for me would explain the Zseni theory NT by FABIO 06/16/2005, 5:29pm PDT NEW
                                        And still the world turns by Arbit 06/16/2005, 7:55pm PDT NEW
        they made Freedom Force by bombMexico 06/13/2005, 8:13pm PDT NEW
    I didn't have enough keys to bind all the functions: 0/10 NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 06/13/2005, 1:02pm PDT NEW
    Could someone with a SA login post this for me? by Mischief Maker 06/13/2005, 4:22pm PDT NEW
        Wouldn't be worth it. by Creexul :( 06/14/2005, 12:00am PDT NEW
    Universal Plan B is annoying me in this thread by I need clarification 06/15/2005, 4:23pm PDT NEW
        Re: Universal Plan B is annoying me in this thread by Universal Plan B 06/16/2005, 11:44am PDT NEW
            Re: Universal Plan B is annoying me in this thread by Entropy Stew 06/16/2005, 1:37pm PDT NEW
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        Did I mention I tried the demo? if so it's up there somewhere NT by Grumah 09/13/2007, 12:39pm PDT NEW
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