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System Shlock 2
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by FABIO 06/15/2005, 6:25pm PDT |
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Arbit wrote:
Try an only fighters specializing with daggers setup in BG2, you will die. Try a using thief only specializing in clubs in Torment, you (probably) will die (haven't tried this, but strongly suspect it's true). Don't even get me started on Diablo 2, half the fucking skills in that game are useless. Similarly, as long as you avoid obviously idiot setups in SS2 and apply modules in a semi-intelligent manner, you can survive. As a last resort, you can even adjust the difficulty.
The BG2 and Torment examples are obviously idiotic to anyone who's ever played any sort of RPG before. The Diablo 2 statement is correct, and is the reason I've stayed away from it. I guess it's a game for people who've already played it all the way through(??) or the BDR type who get the full color Prima strategy guide right when they first buy a game.
All the SS2 fanboys pride themselves on the game having such replay value, and that it's so DEEP and OPEN ENDED. No, it's not. The navy class implies that you'll be primarily a tech geek, which will get you slaughtered. There are only two types of characters that will survive the Many brain corridor (on ANY difficulty): buff marine with assault rifle and psi guy with invisibility. All the hacking and research (with all the fancy chemicals!) skill in the world won't help you there. Deus Ex had security hacking options that actually made a difference (turrets that slaughtered guards in an area instead of being destroyed by zombies with lead pipes), and every level had multiple options to complete it. Sure most of them were crawling through air vents or blowing something up, but that's a lot more choice than SS2 ever gave you.
You could even bring up the strategy involved in choosing which aug to take for each body part. Oh wait, you'd rather cheat code so you wouldn't have to make that decision.
Jesus, you can't possibly be for real anymore.
Mischief Maker wrote:
I still think the skill system (or "virtual incompetence" as I call it) sucked. Luckily someone in the design team agrees with me because there's a code to give yourself all the skill points you need to bring all your skills to master level without putting that "Cheats enabled" mark of stigma on your save files. I like to think that with $50 billion invested in this cyborg, they probably would have taken the time to actually teach him how to shoot, swim, etc. And with the difficulty set to "realistic" the challenge is retained. Instead of a stooge clambering his way towards competence, I start out excellent, then my gradually improving augs made me AWESOME.
The cheat was for the skills. The skill set was retarded and started you out as worse than incompetent. The augs were awesome because they added abilities above and beyond any normal human. By cheating the skills to max (yet cranking up the difficulty to retain challenge) and adding augs as normal, you get the desired effect of starting out as a top secret agent and gradually work your way up to super cyborg. You, the guy who was bitching about taking 15 seconds to aim a gun in Deus Ex, are now bitching about the fix for it?
But I assume you already knew all this; not even you are that slow and oblivious. You ARE Zseni. The actual argument and facts come second to you being right all the time. If that requires completely glossing over the other side's point, restating the same proven wrong argument over and over until you win through attrition, or Orwellian past history revision, so be it. |
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Something Awful forum posters attempt SS2 love-in, encounter FABIO by Man in Gorilla Suit 06/13/2005, 1:41am PDT 
I have it on good authority that SA fags are worse at games than flabio. NT by Creexul :( 06/13/2005, 2:10am PDT 
I don't even remember writing half this stuff -_0 by FABIO 06/13/2005, 2:49am PDT 
Re: I don't even remember writing half this stuff -_0 by Universal Plan B 06/13/2005, 10:46am PDT 
Re: I don't even remember writing half this stuff -_0 by FABIO 06/13/2005, 12:22pm PDT 
All the proof you need that FABIO has a SS2 vendetta. by Arbit 06/13/2005, 6:22pm PDT 
Re: Arbit being gay by bombMexico 06/13/2005, 7:51pm PDT 
Congratulations on coming up to date with news from 2 years ago. by Arbit 06/13/2005, 8:56pm PDT 
you put me in my place by linking to another thread detailing how much SS2 sucks by bombMexico 06/14/2005, 3:53am PDT 
Why am I so hostile :'( by Arbit 06/15/2005, 12:15am PDT 
Re: Arbit being gay by FABIO 06/14/2005, 8:42pm PDT 
wow NT by FABIO 06/14/2005, 8:53pm PDT 
Influential? by Mischief Maker 06/13/2005, 4:19pm PDT 
This is way too fucking long by Universal Plan B 06/13/2005, 11:05pm PDT 
I'm pretty sure Morrowind took it's inspiration from Daggerfall. NT by Worm 06/14/2005, 12:25am PDT 
its omgomogmog I mean its SKY FALLING NT by Worm 06/14/2005, 12:26am PDT 
Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by motherfuckerfoodeater 06/14/2005, 8:26am PDT 
Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by Universal Plan B 06/14/2005, 10:46am PDT 
Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by motherfuckerfoodeater 06/14/2005, 11:32am PDT 
Secondly, I was able to shake enemies all the time. UPB just sucks. NT by Fussbett 06/14/2005, 1:42pm PDT 
Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by Universal Plan B 06/14/2005, 4:41pm PDT 
Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by motherfuckerfoodeater 06/15/2005, 7:29am PDT 
Re: Far Cry had flaws that made people hate it? by Universal Plan B 06/15/2005, 2:23pm PDT 
Jedi Knight 2? by Voyons Donc 06/14/2005, 2:12pm PDT 
Re: Jedi Knight 2? by Universal Plan B 06/14/2005, 4:18pm PDT 
Re: Jedi Knight 2? by Voyons Donc 06/14/2005, 5:48pm PDT 
Re: This is way too fucking long by FABIO 06/14/2005, 9:30pm PDT 
Re: This is way too fucking long by Mischief Maker 06/14/2005, 9:57pm PDT 
Re: This is way too fucking long by Arbit 06/15/2005, 1:34am PDT 
Arbit needs to get laid NT by binkbot 06/15/2005, 2:55am PDT 
binkbot is acting up again. NT by binkbot maintenance guy (w wrench) 06/15/2005, 6:50am PDT 
Are you high, autistic, or just republican? by Mischief Maker 06/15/2005, 2:21pm PDT 
Re: Are you high, autistic, or just republican? by Arbit 06/15/2005, 4:05pm PDT 
Re: Are you high, autistic, or just republican? by FABIO 06/15/2005, 6:25pm PDT 
Re: Are you high, autistic, or just republican? by Arbit 06/15/2005, 8:39pm PDT 
Everyone just calm down. God, we can debate this like adults can't we? by bombMexico 06/15/2005, 10:22pm PDT 
you caught me! by Zseni 06/15/2005, 5:49pm PDT 
Re: you caught me! by Arbit 06/15/2005, 8:53pm PDT 
I get it, you're the devil's advocate around here, right? NT by new guy 06/15/2005, 8:36pm PDT 
No, he's just really passionate about his love/lust for crappy games/FABIO NT by Mischief Maker 06/15/2005, 11:32pm PDT 
Don't forget utter hatred of great games like us by Deus Ex, Freespace 2 06/16/2005, 3:06am PDT 
Re: Don't forget utter hatred of great games like us by Arbit 06/16/2005, 3:28pm PDT 
Re: Don't forget utter hatred of great games like us by Horace Goes Skiing 06/16/2005, 8:10pm PDT 
The obsession for me would explain the Zseni theory NT by FABIO 06/16/2005, 5:29pm PDT 
And still the world turns by Arbit 06/16/2005, 7:55pm PDT 
they made Freedom Force by bombMexico 06/13/2005, 8:13pm PDT 
I didn't have enough keys to bind all the functions: 0/10 NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 06/13/2005, 1:02pm PDT 
Could someone with a SA login post this for me? by Mischief Maker 06/13/2005, 4:22pm PDT 
Wouldn't be worth it. by Creexul :( 06/14/2005, 12:00am PDT 
Universal Plan B is annoying me in this thread by I need clarification 06/15/2005, 4:23pm PDT 
Re: Universal Plan B is annoying me in this thread by Universal Plan B 06/16/2005, 11:44am PDT 
Re: Universal Plan B is annoying me in this thread by Entropy Stew 06/16/2005, 1:37pm PDT 
jesus by FABIO 06/16/2005, 2:14pm PDT 
INC on games by Fussbett 06/18/2005, 8:51pm PDT 
I'm bumping this thread! by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/13/2007, 3:02am PDT 
Did I mention I tried the demo? if so it's up there somewhere NT by Grumah 09/13/2007, 12:39pm PDT 
I forgot how gay and humorless something awful readers were until this was bumpe by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/13/2007, 8:09pm PDT 
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