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by I need clarification 07/15/2003, 4:30pm PDT |
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Damocles wrote:
I need clarification wrote:
Damocles wrote:
Besides, do you think judges are morons?
Actually, I believe he does. And of course this is the crux of what he believes to be the problem: anyone can bring a lawsuit, regardless of merit, against anyone else for any amount of money and for any reason. Judges are morons who allow the cases to proceed, and juries are too easily swayed by the tales of scalded laps or gunned-down little kids, etc.
I don't know what the current standard is for a case to pass muster with a judge, and in fact I'm not 100% sure it's in the judge's hand to decide whether a civil lawsuit can proceed. Either way, I have the feeling most judges, moronic or not, are inclined to allow any lawsuit that doesn't contain the word "Martians" in the text to at least be heard by a jury. Juries of course tend to be sympathetic to the victim. You can usually tell who the victim is, because they're the one who is sucking on a respirator, or busy being paralyzed from the waist down due to a stray bullet, or couldn't make it to court that day because the policy at the cemetary is no corpses can leave of their own accord during the day or non-full-moon night.
I'll stop you right there, although this is a hell of a lot more reasonable than anything L_K wrote. (Well, about news... he likes Moore so he can't be all bad.)
There's one enormous problem with this train of thought, and it is this: "if judges are dumbasses and we should let the legislators decide everything, what happens if the legislators are even bigger dumbasses"? Except that you should replace that "what if Congress is filled with stupid people with "Congress is filled to the fucking brim with ignorant retards". Hell, I'm amazed that most Congressional Representatives don't require diapers and drool guards. Sure, there are exceptions here and there, but by and large they don't have the power- the ones with the power are the ones with the right friends or family. And unlike judges, where there are layers and layers of reviews, you just get one shot with Congress, because it's an unholy bitch for most legislators to dislodge most laws.
(Saying "PERSONALRESPONSIBLITYLIBERTARINPARADISE" or some bullshit like that won't help either, because it'll just mean that corporate America gets to strap on the REALLY FUCKING BIG DILDO before they open you up like the Goatse.cx guy. Does nobody remember what Edward Norton's character DID in Fight Club? That shit isn't made up.
Let's face it- dumbasses abound. I'll take the judicial dumbasses over the legislative dumbasses any time.
First off, I think you're still arguing something other than what L_K is, and I am.
The tobacco decisions set no precedent whatsoever, other than the idea that state attorneys general understand now their chances of success improve greatly when they work together (unless a new administration is elected while the lawsuit is in progress and decides the case against Microsoft isn't really worth pursuing after all). No laws, real or imagined, were written or overruled by the decision in the tobacco cases. L_K seems to be saying that a decision against an entire industry in a lawsuit has the same effect as regulatory legislation enacted by congress ("crippling the industry and lining the public coffers with cash"), and this equivalency in effect means the decision is a de facto law.
From what I can tell, L_K does favor some sort of regulation on large businesses, he'd just prefer that regulation be the result of legislation enacted via the normal legislative process.
You seem to be saying due to judicial review, decisions made in a courtroom are more likely to represent the best interests of the general citizenry against corporations. But these judgements (despite their name) are usually made by juries. When a woman pours McDonald's coffee into her lap and is awarded $20 million for it, that's the result of twelve people hearing her tale of woe. The judge actually slashed the amount drastically following the announcement of the award.
Further, McDonald's could choose to appeal the decision all the way up the court ladder if they wanted. They certainly have more resources to do so than the woman does to fight them. Finally, what does the decision do for the rest of us? So McDonald's adds a "WARNING: COFFEE IS HOT" label to their coffee cups. Is that consumer protection? Does that protect the next guy from being scalded? Probably not. |
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Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by Fussbett 07/09/2003, 4:19pm PDT 
Re: Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/09/2003, 4:52pm PDT 
Stop! by I need clarification 07/09/2003, 6:34pm PDT 
Edit! by Bill Dungsroman 07/11/2003, 11:44am PDT 
Re: Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by laudablepuss 07/09/2003, 5:54pm PDT 
how about parents keeping a fully-stocked arsenal around the house? by FABIO 07/10/2003, 10:42am PDT 
I think NOT owning a firearm should disqualify you from voting. Do your part. by Lizard_King 07/10/2003, 10:51am PDT 
You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/10/2003, 6:05pm PDT 
Rats! I was gonna say that. Instead, I'll say this: by I need clarification 07/10/2003, 10:26pm PDT 
or read my books! NT by John Grisham 07/10/2003, 10:33pm PDT 
Re: Rats! I was gonna say that. Instead, I'll say this: by Lizard_King 07/11/2003, 2:26pm PDT 
Dude, he's *SO* done with this post. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/11/2003, 2:47pm PDT 
I liked the random "socialist medicine" bit myself. Lost Canadian, perchance? NT by Damocles 07/11/2003, 3:52pm PDT 
Government medical program=socialist. by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:32pm PDT 
Trotsky and Stalin may hate each other, but both are still laughing at you by Damocles 07/14/2003, 12:02pm PDT 
I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:32pm PDT 
Re: I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:48am PDT 
Re: I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:17pm PDT 
Thank you Ayn Rand, you can sit down and shut the fuck up now. by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 9:48pm PDT 
Yes, much better look for you than trying to say I'm wrong. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 10:08pm PDT 
I *did* say you were wrong. Idiot. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 10:13pm PDT 
Perhaps, but what you typed was "I am an angry fag" over and over. NT by Lizard_King 07/20/2003, 7:08pm PDT 
^^^ EVERYONE L@@K RIGHT HERE ^^^ by Lufteufel 07/20/2003, 7:53pm PDT 
FUCK THAT WAS SO WORTH IT NT by Choson 07/20/2003, 7:55pm PDT 
This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by I need clarification 07/12/2003, 4:10pm PDT 
Re: This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 8:35pm PDT 
Re: This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by The Monopoly Guy 07/13/2003, 4:57am PDT 
I see. by Lizard_King 07/13/2003, 2:44pm PDT 
Re: I see. by Arbit 07/15/2003, 4:44pm PDT 
She wanted me to do it. And the baby was asking for it. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:15am PDT 
Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/11/2003, 2:17pm PDT 
Your inability to make yourself clear is not my fucking problem.. by John \'Bryan\' Adams 07/11/2003, 2:51pm PDT 
Cat Fight! NT by Sildenafil 07/11/2003, 3:19pm PDT 
I fucking hate you. by Nixon 07/12/2003, 2:33pm PDT 
Then I have done my Job. NT by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 4:20pm PDT 
I know you. You're that waiter from Tchotchkes NT by Entropy Stew 07/12/2003, 6:16pm PDT 
Better than Jennifer Aniston NT by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 6:50pm PDT 
Better how, exactly? NT by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 8:22pm PDT 
Re: Better how, exactly? by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 9:55pm PDT 
Might as well be. You're already taking it up the ass from everyone here NT by Entropy Stew 07/12/2003, 10:17pm PDT 
If INC could understand it, it IS your problem. -NT- by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:30pm PDT 
I retracted nothing, fag. by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 1:41pm PDT 
I'm sorry, so your criticism of the argument I didn't make still stands? by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:20pm PDT 
In which I make a classy Lizard_King-stylin quip: by John \'Bryan\' Adams 07/16/2003, 9:50pm PDT 
Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Damocles 07/11/2003, 4:01pm PDT 
Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:29pm PDT 
Bloviate on, you shining star! by Damocles 07/14/2003, 11:54am PDT 
Re: Bloviate on, you shining star! by I need clarification 07/14/2003, 12:20pm PDT 
I...um...mostly agree. What the fuck are you up to? by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:53pm PDT 
Re: Bloviate on, you shining star! by Damocles 07/15/2003, 3:16pm PDT 
One imperfect system for an even more imperfect one... by I need clarification 07/15/2003, 4:30pm PDT 
Alright, now I'm really worried. But...yeah. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:18am PDT 
Re: One imperfect system for an even more imperfect one... by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:29am PDT 
That was positively Vaginatorian. Bravo! NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 1:09pm PDT 
Stop uttering her name! by FoK 07/14/2003, 1:16pm PDT 
Vaginator, Vaginator, Motherfucking Vaginator. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 1:19pm PDT 
Pussy. NT by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:53pm PDT 
She'd slamdunk your ass in about 30 seconds. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 9:03pm PDT 
actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/15/2003, 4:43pm PDT 
Re: actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:15pm PDT 
I am the real Chairman Mao NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:58pm PDT 
No, *I* am the real Chairman Mao NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:58pm PDT 
Precisely. NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:59pm PDT 
Re: actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/15/2003, 9:18pm PDT 
Keep at it, tiny dancer. by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:48pm PDT 
You have no idea what a leftist is, do you? by Damocles 07/15/2003, 3:19pm PDT 
As usual, you should make your accusations at a fucking mirror. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:19am PDT 
I've heard better retorts on a playground NT by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:50am PDT 
Perhaps you should stick to arguing there, then. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:20pm PDT 
Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:32pm PDT 
Sorry about the double post. Back button on mouse reacts poorly with forums. NT by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:33pm PDT 
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