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Re: This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by The Monopoly Guy 07/13/2003, 4:57am PDT
Lizard_King wrote:

I need clarification wrote:


Eh, half a dozen of one, etc. It's not like the consumers who smoked tobacco and got cancer and died didn't pay for their share of the blame, if there is any. Anyway, it's still not legislation. Nobody's put any restrictions on the sale of tobacco that aren't similar to restrictions on other industries (pornography, alcohol, car sales, etc.).

Exactly. It's not legislation, in that it conforms to the republican model of determining what is legal and what isn't, which carries a certain degree of mandatory public scrutiny before it can take place. With these lawsuits, they avoid any semblance of republican processes and have a similar practical result (destroying the industry or rendering it a crippled cash-cow for the government and themselves).

You keep saying "these lawsuits," and I'm talking about tobacco in particular. Unless you're excluding tobacco, in which case ignore the rest of this paragraph. In any case, the restrictions placed on tobacco sales and advertising following the settlement of the various lawsuits the industry weathered in the 90s are the exact same restrictions enacted by "republican legislation" previously: don't sell to minors, warn consumers of the health risks related to smoking. They are free to conduct business exactly as they've always done, minus the public deception.

The payouts to the states arranged by the terms of the settlements is not legislation, and doesn't stop the tobacco industry from any business dealings that fall within already existing laws. If you're saying the payouts were a form of legislation or business restriction, I reply that they're the cost of settling a lawsuit resultant from deceptive busines practices. If you're objecting to the states getting the money from the settlement, I guess we can rehash the old pinko socialist medicine argument again and again. But finding fault with the way the states handle their medical expenses doesn't excuse the tobacco companies from paying their fines. If the city puts up a school crosswalk in the middle of a freeway and I speed through it every single day, killing kids each time, I can't later say, "Well, it's a stupid place for a crosswalk, I shouldn't have to pay for the damage I've done."
INC wrote:


Li_K wrote:

A careful reading of my post will reveal that I did not endorse lawsuits against gun manufacturers, liquor distributors, etc. Each case has to be tried on its own merits. That's the way it should be. If it's revealed, for example, that Seagram's is adding ingredients to their gin that hastens liver disease and not informing the public of it, then they may be culpable. As far as I know, they're not doing that.


I know you weren't. I was just expanding on my earlier points, and I did not mean to imply that you necessarily were opposed. Although I'm sure we'll hit that point eventually.

Surprisingly, despite my strong anti-gun leanings, I am not an advocate of any sort class-action lawsuit against gun manufacturers. I think there are better ways to enact sensible gun control laws in this country, but the debate is so ridiculously skewed by the NRA that any sort of "republican legislation" seems, for the time being at least, completely unimaginable.
L_K wrote:

INC wrote:

Yeah, it's not as succinct and meaningful as "I hate trial lawyers." Do you also hate pineapples?


No. Why would you say such an awful thing? What did pineapples ever do to you?

More like what was done to me with a pineapple.

Anyway, in your jihad against trial lawyers, I hope you'll make room for their tax-paid equivalents. I've ranted about forfeiture laws before, but if we're going to go crazy defending every letter of the 2nd Amendment, I'd like some attention paid to the 4th. Long before the War on Terror and the PATRIOT Act and Sister Patriot Act II, the legendary War on Drugs was used as an excuse to enact forfeiture laws that are absolutely mind-boggling. Scream all you want about a woman pouring scalding-hot coffee in her lap and suing McDonald's, then read about the convenience-store owner in Miami who over the course of a few months built a fence around his parking lot, put up stadium-style lights, called the local cops repeatedly to ask them to increase the patrols in his area at night, and still lost his store and land to the government when it was determined small-time dealers were using his parking lot at night to conduct business.

Or your pet peeve (I seem to sense), the small airline industry - check how many small (single plane) operators lost their property (the plane) and livelihood (again, the plane) because they were foolish enough to believe the guys who rented it were not lying when they said they weren't drug smugglers.

Those sorts of lawsuits are absolutely the worst, and "trial lawyers" are the ones you're going to want to turn to when you get the indictment, not against you, but against your new house, car, or whatever.
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Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by Fussbett 07/09/2003, 4:19pm PDT NEW
    Re: Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/09/2003, 4:52pm PDT NEW
        Stop! by I need clarification 07/09/2003, 6:34pm PDT NEW
            Edit! by Bill Dungsroman 07/11/2003, 11:44am PDT NEW
    Re: Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by laudablepuss 07/09/2003, 5:54pm PDT NEW
        how about parents keeping a fully-stocked arsenal around the house? by FABIO 07/10/2003, 10:42am PDT NEW
            I think NOT owning a firearm should disqualify you from voting. Do your part. by Lizard_King 07/10/2003, 10:51am PDT NEW
                You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/10/2003, 6:05pm PDT NEW
                    Rats! I was gonna say that. Instead, I'll say this: by I need clarification 07/10/2003, 10:26pm PDT NEW
                        or read my books! NT by John Grisham 07/10/2003, 10:33pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Rats! I was gonna say that. Instead, I'll say this: by Lizard_King 07/11/2003, 2:26pm PDT NEW
                            Dude, he's *SO* done with this post. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/11/2003, 2:47pm PDT NEW
                                I liked the random "socialist medicine" bit myself. Lost Canadian, perchance? NT by Damocles 07/11/2003, 3:52pm PDT NEW
                                    Government medical program=socialist. by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:32pm PDT NEW
                                        Trotsky and Stalin may hate each other, but both are still laughing at you by Damocles 07/14/2003, 12:02pm PDT NEW
                                            I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:32pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:48am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:17pm PDT NEW
                                                        Thank you Ayn Rand, you can sit down and shut the fuck up now. by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 9:48pm PDT NEW
                                                            Yes, much better look for you than trying to say I'm wrong. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 10:08pm PDT NEW
                                                                I *did* say you were wrong. Idiot. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 10:13pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Perhaps, but what you typed was "I am an angry fag" over and over. NT by Lizard_King 07/20/2003, 7:08pm PDT NEW
                                                                        ^^^ EVERYONE L@@K RIGHT HERE ^^^ by Lufteufel 07/20/2003, 7:53pm PDT NEW
                                                                            FUCK THAT WAS SO WORTH IT NT by Choson 07/20/2003, 7:55pm PDT NEW
                            This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by I need clarification 07/12/2003, 4:10pm PDT NEW
                                Re: This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 8:35pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by The Monopoly Guy 07/13/2003, 4:57am PDT NEW
                                        I see. by Lizard_King 07/13/2003, 2:44pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: I see. by Arbit 07/15/2003, 4:44pm PDT NEW
                                                She wanted me to do it. And the baby was asking for it. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:15am PDT NEW
                    Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/11/2003, 2:17pm PDT NEW
                        Your inability to make yourself clear is not my fucking problem.. by John \'Bryan\' Adams 07/11/2003, 2:51pm PDT NEW
                            Cat Fight! NT by Sildenafil 07/11/2003, 3:19pm PDT NEW
                                I fucking hate you. by Nixon 07/12/2003, 2:33pm PDT NEW
                                    Then I have done my Job. NT by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 4:20pm PDT NEW
                                I know you. You're that waiter from Tchotchkes NT by Entropy Stew 07/12/2003, 6:16pm PDT NEW
                                    Better than Jennifer Aniston NT by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 6:50pm PDT NEW
                                        Better how, exactly? NT by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 8:22pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Better how, exactly? by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 9:55pm PDT NEW
                                                Might as well be. You're already taking it up the ass from everyone here NT by Entropy Stew 07/12/2003, 10:17pm PDT NEW
                            If INC could understand it, it IS your problem. -NT- by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:30pm PDT NEW
                                I retracted nothing, fag. by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 1:41pm PDT NEW
                                    I'm sorry, so your criticism of the argument I didn't make still stands? by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:20pm PDT NEW
                                        In which I make a classy Lizard_King-stylin quip: by John \'Bryan\' Adams 07/16/2003, 9:50pm PDT NEW
                        Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Damocles 07/11/2003, 4:01pm PDT NEW
                            Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:29pm PDT NEW
                                Bloviate on, you shining star! by Damocles 07/14/2003, 11:54am PDT NEW
                                    Re: Bloviate on, you shining star! by I need clarification 07/14/2003, 12:20pm PDT NEW
                                        I...um...mostly agree. What the fuck are you up to? by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:53pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Bloviate on, you shining star! by Damocles 07/15/2003, 3:16pm PDT NEW
                                            One imperfect system for an even more imperfect one... by I need clarification 07/15/2003, 4:30pm PDT NEW
                                                Alright, now I'm really worried. But...yeah. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:18am PDT NEW
                                                Re: One imperfect system for an even more imperfect one... by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:29am PDT NEW
                                    That was positively Vaginatorian. Bravo! NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 1:09pm PDT NEW
                                        Stop uttering her name! by FoK 07/14/2003, 1:16pm PDT NEW
                                            Vaginator, Vaginator, Motherfucking Vaginator. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 1:19pm PDT NEW
                                                Pussy. NT by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:53pm PDT NEW
                                                    She'd slamdunk your ass in about 30 seconds. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 9:03pm PDT NEW
                                                        actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/15/2003, 4:43pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:15pm PDT NEW
                                                                I am the real Chairman Mao NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:58pm PDT NEW
                                                                    No, *I* am the real Chairman Mao NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:58pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Precisely. NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:59pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/15/2003, 9:18pm PDT NEW
                                    Keep at it, tiny dancer. by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:48pm PDT NEW
                                        You have no idea what a leftist is, do you? by Damocles 07/15/2003, 3:19pm PDT NEW
                                            As usual, you should make your accusations at a fucking mirror. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:19am PDT NEW
                                                I've heard better retorts on a playground NT by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:50am PDT NEW
                                                    Perhaps you should stick to arguing there, then. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:20pm PDT NEW
                            Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:32pm PDT NEW
                                Sorry about the double post. Back button on mouse reacts poorly with forums. NT by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:33pm PDT NEW
 
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