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by Lizard_King 07/13/2003, 2:44pm PDT |
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I think we agree in general if not in particulars. Inasmuch as we are ever going to, anyhow.
The Monopoly Guy wrote:
More like what was done to me with a pineapple.
Anyway, in your jihad against trial lawyers, I hope you'll make room for their tax-paid equivalents. I've ranted about forfeiture laws before, but if we're going to go crazy defending every letter of the 2nd Amendment, I'd like some attention paid to the 4th. Long before the War on Terror and the PATRIOT Act and Sister Patriot Act II, the legendary War on Drugs was used as an excuse to enact forfeiture laws that are absolutely mind-boggling. Scream all you want about a woman pouring scalding-hot coffee in her lap and suing McDonald's, then read about the convenience-store owner in Miami who over the course of a few months built a fence around his parking lot, put up stadium-style lights, called the local cops repeatedly to ask them to increase the patrols in his area at night, and still lost his store and land to the government when it was determined small-time dealers were using his parking lot at night to conduct business.
The entire war on drugs is farcical in nature, as is any government-jihad against a social "problem" as if it were independent of the people perpetrating it but not necessarily doing anything wrong. I say, fine, you want to a wage a war on drugs, then you had better be willing to shoot drug users, dealers, etc. Otherwise, it is neither a war nor is it effective in dealing with the problem (in this case more a cultural than a legal one), and it is creating a massive clusterfuck in the periphery. Likewise with, say, the war on poverty. A real war on poverty would involve shooting poor people; until then, shut the fuck up and recognize it is less a problem to be attacked in a military manner (I think the philosophical parallels between military management of war and socialist management of peace are very similiar in principle, but what works in a war does not in peacetime) than a reality with which to work.
Or your pet peeve (I seem to sense), the small airline industry - check how many small (single plane) operators lost their property (the plane) and livelihood (again, the plane) because they were foolish enough to believe the guys who rented it were not lying when they said they weren't drug smugglers.
Those sorts of lawsuits are absolutely the worst, and "trial lawyers" are the ones you're going to want to turn to when you get the indictment, not against you, but against your new house, car, or whatever.
Absolutely. But these are definitely not the same sort of trial lawyers that are going after Mickey D's on behalf of some fatasses. Just like if I were a defendant in a court case, I would want a defense lawyer; that does not mean I need to embrace the Johnny Cochrane's of the world.
In any case, my deal with small airplanes has to do with the situation of the manufacturers rather than the end user. In the last two decades, Cessna, Piper, and many other small airplane makers were kicked from profitability to non-production of piston engine airplanes as a result of wholly absurd lawsuits, in which owners of airplanes manufactured in the 1950's (for example) would sue the maker after a crash as if 1990's seat belt standards had been in place and as if it was not the owner's responsibility to maintain them. And win. That was, until a grassroots campaign for product liability reform. This explains it quite succinctly.
As for your problem with the NRA, let's just say I am not a huge fan despite being a member. I regard them as the largest and most reasonable gun control group rather than a 2nd amendment advocacy group per se, as they tend to negotiate and work with gun control legislation (such as waiting periods, etc which they had no problem supporting) rather than opposing it on principle. Which is fine since some of that legislation is acceptable, but in many cases I think it leads to unacceptable compromises and inaction. Much like George Bush's conservativism, its aggressive, radical image is largely mythology created by a hostile media. |
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Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by Fussbett 07/09/2003, 4:19pm PDT 
Re: Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/09/2003, 4:52pm PDT 
Stop! by I need clarification 07/09/2003, 6:34pm PDT 
Edit! by Bill Dungsroman 07/11/2003, 11:44am PDT 
Re: Video games still bad. Movies and bullies A-OK. by laudablepuss 07/09/2003, 5:54pm PDT 
how about parents keeping a fully-stocked arsenal around the house? by FABIO 07/10/2003, 10:42am PDT 
I think NOT owning a firearm should disqualify you from voting. Do your part. by Lizard_King 07/10/2003, 10:51am PDT 
You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/10/2003, 6:05pm PDT 
Rats! I was gonna say that. Instead, I'll say this: by I need clarification 07/10/2003, 10:26pm PDT 
or read my books! NT by John Grisham 07/10/2003, 10:33pm PDT 
Re: Rats! I was gonna say that. Instead, I'll say this: by Lizard_King 07/11/2003, 2:26pm PDT 
Dude, he's *SO* done with this post. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/11/2003, 2:47pm PDT 
I liked the random "socialist medicine" bit myself. Lost Canadian, perchance? NT by Damocles 07/11/2003, 3:52pm PDT 
Government medical program=socialist. by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:32pm PDT 
Trotsky and Stalin may hate each other, but both are still laughing at you by Damocles 07/14/2003, 12:02pm PDT 
I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:32pm PDT 
Re: I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:48am PDT 
Re: I like it when you make up things. It's funny. by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:17pm PDT 
Thank you Ayn Rand, you can sit down and shut the fuck up now. by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 9:48pm PDT 
Yes, much better look for you than trying to say I'm wrong. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 10:08pm PDT 
I *did* say you were wrong. Idiot. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 10:13pm PDT 
Perhaps, but what you typed was "I am an angry fag" over and over. NT by Lizard_King 07/20/2003, 7:08pm PDT 
^^^ EVERYONE L@@K RIGHT HERE ^^^ by Lufteufel 07/20/2003, 7:53pm PDT 
FUCK THAT WAS SO WORTH IT NT by Choson 07/20/2003, 7:55pm PDT 
This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by I need clarification 07/12/2003, 4:10pm PDT 
Re: This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 8:35pm PDT 
Re: This post is so OVER! It's so 1999, dude. by The Monopoly Guy 07/13/2003, 4:57am PDT 
I see. by Lizard_King 07/13/2003, 2:44pm PDT 
Re: I see. by Arbit 07/15/2003, 4:44pm PDT 
She wanted me to do it. And the baby was asking for it. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:15am PDT 
Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/11/2003, 2:17pm PDT 
Your inability to make yourself clear is not my fucking problem.. by John \'Bryan\' Adams 07/11/2003, 2:51pm PDT 
Cat Fight! NT by Sildenafil 07/11/2003, 3:19pm PDT 
I fucking hate you. by Nixon 07/12/2003, 2:33pm PDT 
Then I have done my Job. NT by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 4:20pm PDT 
I know you. You're that waiter from Tchotchkes NT by Entropy Stew 07/12/2003, 6:16pm PDT 
Better than Jennifer Aniston NT by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 6:50pm PDT 
Better how, exactly? NT by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 8:22pm PDT 
Re: Better how, exactly? by Sildenafil 07/12/2003, 9:55pm PDT 
Might as well be. You're already taking it up the ass from everyone here NT by Entropy Stew 07/12/2003, 10:17pm PDT 
If INC could understand it, it IS your problem. -NT- by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:30pm PDT 
I retracted nothing, fag. by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/16/2003, 1:41pm PDT 
I'm sorry, so your criticism of the argument I didn't make still stands? by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:20pm PDT 
In which I make a classy Lizard_King-stylin quip: by John \'Bryan\' Adams 07/16/2003, 9:50pm PDT 
Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Damocles 07/11/2003, 4:01pm PDT 
Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:29pm PDT 
Bloviate on, you shining star! by Damocles 07/14/2003, 11:54am PDT 
Re: Bloviate on, you shining star! by I need clarification 07/14/2003, 12:20pm PDT 
I...um...mostly agree. What the fuck are you up to? by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:53pm PDT 
Re: Bloviate on, you shining star! by Damocles 07/15/2003, 3:16pm PDT 
One imperfect system for an even more imperfect one... by I need clarification 07/15/2003, 4:30pm PDT 
Alright, now I'm really worried. But...yeah. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:18am PDT 
Re: One imperfect system for an even more imperfect one... by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:29am PDT 
That was positively Vaginatorian. Bravo! NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 1:09pm PDT 
Stop uttering her name! by FoK 07/14/2003, 1:16pm PDT 
Vaginator, Vaginator, Motherfucking Vaginator. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 1:19pm PDT 
Pussy. NT by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:53pm PDT 
She'd slamdunk your ass in about 30 seconds. NT by John 'Bryan' Adams 07/14/2003, 9:03pm PDT 
actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/15/2003, 4:43pm PDT 
Re: actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:15pm PDT 
I am the real Chairman Mao NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:58pm PDT 
No, *I* am the real Chairman Mao NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:58pm PDT 
Precisely. NT by Chairman Mao 07/15/2003, 5:59pm PDT 
Re: actually, didn't L_K show up soon after Vag left? by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/15/2003, 9:18pm PDT 
Keep at it, tiny dancer. by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:48pm PDT 
You have no idea what a leftist is, do you? by Damocles 07/15/2003, 3:19pm PDT 
As usual, you should make your accusations at a fucking mirror. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:19am PDT 
I've heard better retorts on a playground NT by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:50am PDT 
Perhaps you should stick to arguing there, then. NT by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:20pm PDT 
Re: You are aware of a branch of government called the 'Judicial', are you not? by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:32pm PDT 
Sorry about the double post. Back button on mouse reacts poorly with forums. NT by Lizard_King 07/12/2003, 2:33pm PDT 
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