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Re: my condescending attitude? by Bill Dungsroman 07/01/2003, 12:45pm PDT
FABIO wrote:

Damocles wrote:


(You know what's funny? If they had simply cribbed the hacking minigame from Shadowrun, modernized the graphics, and replaced the purchase of better decks and programs with stuff/buy/make along the way, it could have worked really well, in a way that System Shocks' system never pulled off. Pity.)


Had more than 2 enemies attack you at the same time. OH NO! IT WOULD BE LIEK QUAKE THEN! SS1 gave you plenty of weapons (all of which you could use) and plenty of baddies, and it was a better game for it. It would be one thing if the one or two enemies you ran into in SS2 were challenging, but they weren't. Most of the time the monster you faced halfway through the game was the same hybrid/midwife you faced near the beginning. It was like Arcanum's random encounters that never scaled up; what the fuck is the point?


Useful upgrades- Those O/S station upgrades were a joke. I also remember about 90% of the psi powers being useless. Heal, cryo-attack, shield, anti-entropy, and the recharge one were the only ones I ever used.


I think the respawning could have worked if they had the monsters respawn in areas you weren't in. Have them respawn on the other side of the deck. That way you wouldnt have the constant empty corridors once you cleared out a deck that SS1 had, and you wouldn't have the annoying factor of enemies popping through doors you just came through, or even worse teleporting in right before your eyes.

Deus Ex pulled off the RPG skill thing in a FPS much MUCH better than SS2. You could still do anything, you just wouldnt be very good at it. Instead of saying "a pistol? what's that????", you just wouldnt be very accurate with it and reload slowly. The only complaint I had was that they made weapons more innaccurate if you werent skilled in them, yet also made you do less damage when you did manage to hit. That seemed a bit arbitrary.


Are we really having a discussion on whether or not SS2 is any good? This game blows after the first few hours of OOKY SKARY FUNTIME wears off. I really wanted to like the game, too, nothing would please me more than a good scary game. SS2 was only 1 of those 3, and barely. I gave up on the game pretty early on, too, at the point where you're somewhere in the middle of the WACKY NESTED SUBROUTINE elevator quest, trying to do whatever with those radioactive hallways, and the spawning shotgun-weilding dipshits come every five seconds, so you can't set yourself to take out the 3 or 4 turrets before another one blasts you in the back of the fucking head. FABIO has brought this up, and it should really end any discussion on the relative merit of SS2:

YOUR CHARACTER IS IN THE MILITARY BUT (in all possibility) CAN'T FIRE A HANDGUN, A FUTURISTIC ONE THAT BREAKS AFTER A FEW SHOTS.

Making your game character a complete dipshit isn't "intelligent" gaming, it's fucking stupid. It's Not Like Quake because you only fight one enemy at a time, usually with a fucking wrench? Great. It would have worked if part of teh challenge was killing any one enemy, if they were interesting and tough. But they were horrbily generic, and the respawn is nearly unforgivable. I know the point was to keep you on your toes constantly, but the flipside to that attempt is to just annoy the gamer. HAHA ARRRR HERE I AM AGAIN! IN THE HALLWAY YOU JUST CLEARED! ISN'T THAT SCARY? YOU TRIED TO READ A DATLOG AND I INTERRUPTED YOU BEFORE YOU COULD EVEN READ IT! BOO! HURRY UP AND KILL ME SO ANOTHER ME CAN SPAWN IN! I'LL DROP A JAMMED SHOTGUN TOO! BETTER USE THE WRENCH OR YOU'LL RUN OUT AMMO IF YOUR GUN DOESN'T BREAK FIRST! SS2 tried, sure, but it failed. Like plenty of games, it tried. But. It. Failed. Who the hell wants to play a game like that? Would anyone like to play Daikatana and Trespasser, two other more notorious examples? Does this make sense now?

BDR

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SS2 review linked in GG forum by Roop Dirump 06/30/2003, 1:50pm PDT NEW
    see also: SA Games forum by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 06/30/2003, 3:21pm PDT NEW
        Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by Fussbett 06/30/2003, 3:31pm PDT NEW
            Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by FoK 06/30/2003, 3:55pm PDT NEW
                Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 06/30/2003, 3:58pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by Bill Dungsroman 06/30/2003, 5:16pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 1:27am PDT NEW
            Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 1:21am PDT NEW
            Heh by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 6:39am PDT NEW
                Oh, btw by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 7:06am PDT NEW
                Re: Heh by Fussbett 07/01/2003, 12:54pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Heh by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 1:54pm PDT NEW
                        n/f unless you CHOW ME ZE PAPERSS by Bill Dungsroman 07/01/2003, 2:06pm PDT NEW
                            Re: n/f unless you CHOW ME ZE PAPERSS by Forensic 07/02/2003, 5:02pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Heh by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/01/2003, 2:25pm PDT NEW
                            Libel and slander, specifically NT by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 2:28pm PDT NEW
                                Oh, you lovable nubar! by Fussbett 07/01/2003, 5:40pm PDT NEW
                                    Tell Vag I said thanks. NT by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 6:05pm PDT NEW
                                        I don't get that, but I'll assume it's an insult. :( NT by Fussbett 07/01/2003, 6:17pm PDT NEW
                                            YOU'RE GENTLY TOUCHED! NT by Bill Dungsroman 07/02/2003, 12:20pm PDT NEW
                                    Your information is incomplete, btw by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 7:29pm PDT NEW
                                        Well that proves something, I guess. by Fussbett 07/01/2003, 8:27pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Well that proves something, I guess. by FoK 07/01/2003, 9:17pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: Well that proves something, I guess. by Chairman Mao 07/01/2003, 9:32pm PDT NEW
                                                    There is that, and only that, in our favor, yeah. by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 9:47pm PDT NEW
                                                    You're absolutely right. by Lizard_King 07/02/2003, 11:49pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: Well that proves something, I guess. by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 9:44pm PDT NEW
                                                Animal Crossing Yakuza by Fussbett 07/02/2003, 12:45am PDT NEW
                                                    The one exception to this whole Libel/Defamation/Satire thing by Roop Dirump 07/02/2003, 3:50am PDT NEW
                                                        Re: The one exception to this whole Libel/Defamation/Satire thing by Bill Dungsroman 07/02/2003, 12:20pm PDT NEW
        Crossposting! by Entropy Stew 06/30/2003, 5:57pm PDT NEW
            Re: Crossposting! by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 06/30/2003, 6:04pm PDT NEW
            Re: Crossposting! by laudablepuss 06/30/2003, 6:48pm PDT NEW
                What now? by mark 07/01/2003, 1:24pm PDT NEW
                    Re: What now? by laudablepuss 07/01/2003, 2:48pm PDT NEW
        OOF by Arbit 07/01/2003, 1:56am PDT NEW
    Re: SS2 review linked in GG forum by laudablepuss 06/30/2003, 6:22pm PDT NEW
        Re: SS2 review linked in GG forum by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 1:23am PDT NEW
    my condescending attitude? by FABIO 07/01/2003, 1:57am PDT NEW
        Re: my condescending attitude? by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 1:59am PDT NEW
            yeah that caught my eye too by FABIO 07/01/2003, 2:06am PDT NEW
                Re: yeah that caught my eye too by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 2:20am PDT NEW
            SA also invented Photoshop NT by Roop Dirump 07/01/2003, 10:06am PDT NEW
        Re: my condescending attitude? by Damocles 07/01/2003, 2:15am PDT NEW
            Re: my condescending attitude? by FABIO 07/01/2003, 3:54am PDT NEW
                Re: my condescending attitude? by Damocles 07/01/2003, 4:51am PDT NEW
                    Crap. by Damocles 07/01/2003, 4:52am PDT NEW
                    Re: my condescending attitude? by FABIO 07/01/2003, 5:04am PDT NEW
                        Re: my condescending attitude? by Bill Dungsroman 07/01/2003, 12:45pm PDT NEW
                            Re: my condescending attitude? by curst 07/01/2003, 3:29pm PDT NEW
                                what if i call someone a shitless cunt over AIM? NT by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/01/2003, 7:01pm PDT NEW
                                    disregard. responded to wrong message. i'm the shitless cunt. NT by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/01/2003, 7:03pm PDT NEW
            Re: my condescending attitude? by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 5:58am PDT NEW
                Re: my condescending attitude? by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/01/2003, 2:49pm PDT NEW
            Re: my condescending attitude? by Masked Man 07/01/2003, 7:44pm PDT NEW
                No. by Damocles 07/02/2003, 2:39am PDT NEW
                    "War at Sea" was the George Clooney of the AAoW franchise, apparently NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/02/2003, 2:42am PDT NEW
                        The George Clooney what? NT by foogla 07/02/2003, 4:24am PDT NEW
                            Re: The George Clooney what? by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/02/2003, 4:34am PDT NEW
                                You forgot the nipplesuit. NT by Damocles 07/02/2003, 1:28pm PDT NEW
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