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Re: my condescending attitude? by Damocles 07/01/2003, 4:51am PDT
FABIO wrote:

Oh you have no idea how badly I wanted SS2 to work, and still do. But it doesn't, so it sucks once the atmosphere wears off and you realize it's just beating things with a wrench while running around fixing things with the game telling you "CAN'T USE THAT! NOT ENOUGH SKILLZ!" every few minutes. Atmosphere was the ONLY thing this game had going for it, and the respawning/gay arbitrary skill system ruined that.

Well, that's the rub- it was tapping into ideas from other games (like Shadowrun, which I like returning to) that feature both a lot of atmosphere and skill-based development. The problem was that (as the SA guy said) integrating that into FPS gameplay is a BITCH, and it didn't work as well as it could. I'm convinced there are ways it could have been made to work: longer-lasting weapons, respawning from fixed "creature generators" that you could turn off, giving "marine" characters basic proficiency in every kind of weapon and other professions basic proficiency in pistols and melee, more generous skill points, allowing for hacking of robot "pets" akin to what you find in MMORPGs, etc. Unfortunately, it didn't happen.

(You know what's funny? If they had simply cribbed the hacking minigame from Shadowrun, modernized the graphics, and replaced the purchase of better decks and programs with stuff/buy/make along the way, it could have worked really well, in a way that System Shocks' system never pulled off. Pity.)
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SS2 review linked in GG forum by Roop Dirump 06/30/2003, 1:50pm PDT NEW
    see also: SA Games forum by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 06/30/2003, 3:21pm PDT NEW
        Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by Fussbett 06/30/2003, 3:31pm PDT NEW
            Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by FoK 06/30/2003, 3:55pm PDT NEW
                Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 06/30/2003, 3:58pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by Bill Dungsroman 06/30/2003, 5:16pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 1:27am PDT NEW
            Re: Hey, we can read SA forums for free now. by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 1:21am PDT NEW
            Heh by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 6:39am PDT NEW
                Oh, btw by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 7:06am PDT NEW
                Re: Heh by Fussbett 07/01/2003, 12:54pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Heh by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 1:54pm PDT NEW
                        n/f unless you CHOW ME ZE PAPERSS by Bill Dungsroman 07/01/2003, 2:06pm PDT NEW
                            Re: n/f unless you CHOW ME ZE PAPERSS by Forensic 07/02/2003, 5:02pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Heh by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/01/2003, 2:25pm PDT NEW
                            Libel and slander, specifically NT by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 2:28pm PDT NEW
                                Oh, you lovable nubar! by Fussbett 07/01/2003, 5:40pm PDT NEW
                                    Tell Vag I said thanks. NT by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 6:05pm PDT NEW
                                        I don't get that, but I'll assume it's an insult. :( NT by Fussbett 07/01/2003, 6:17pm PDT NEW
                                            YOU'RE GENTLY TOUCHED! NT by Bill Dungsroman 07/02/2003, 12:20pm PDT NEW
                                    Your information is incomplete, btw by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 7:29pm PDT NEW
                                        Well that proves something, I guess. by Fussbett 07/01/2003, 8:27pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Well that proves something, I guess. by FoK 07/01/2003, 9:17pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: Well that proves something, I guess. by Chairman Mao 07/01/2003, 9:32pm PDT NEW
                                                    There is that, and only that, in our favor, yeah. by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 9:47pm PDT NEW
                                                    You're absolutely right. by Lizard_King 07/02/2003, 11:49pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: Well that proves something, I guess. by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 9:44pm PDT NEW
                                                Animal Crossing Yakuza by Fussbett 07/02/2003, 12:45am PDT NEW
                                                    The one exception to this whole Libel/Defamation/Satire thing by Roop Dirump 07/02/2003, 3:50am PDT NEW
                                                        Re: The one exception to this whole Libel/Defamation/Satire thing by Bill Dungsroman 07/02/2003, 12:20pm PDT NEW
        Crossposting! by Entropy Stew 06/30/2003, 5:57pm PDT NEW
            Re: Crossposting! by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 06/30/2003, 6:04pm PDT NEW
            Re: Crossposting! by laudablepuss 06/30/2003, 6:48pm PDT NEW
                What now? by mark 07/01/2003, 1:24pm PDT NEW
                    Re: What now? by laudablepuss 07/01/2003, 2:48pm PDT NEW
        OOF by Arbit 07/01/2003, 1:56am PDT NEW
    Re: SS2 review linked in GG forum by laudablepuss 06/30/2003, 6:22pm PDT NEW
        Re: SS2 review linked in GG forum by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 1:23am PDT NEW
    my condescending attitude? by FABIO 07/01/2003, 1:57am PDT NEW
        Re: my condescending attitude? by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 1:59am PDT NEW
            yeah that caught my eye too by FABIO 07/01/2003, 2:06am PDT NEW
                Re: yeah that caught my eye too by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 2:20am PDT NEW
            SA also invented Photoshop NT by Roop Dirump 07/01/2003, 10:06am PDT NEW
        Re: my condescending attitude? by Damocles 07/01/2003, 2:15am PDT NEW
            Re: my condescending attitude? by FABIO 07/01/2003, 3:54am PDT NEW
                Re: my condescending attitude? by Damocles 07/01/2003, 4:51am PDT NEW
                    Crap. by Damocles 07/01/2003, 4:52am PDT NEW
                    Re: my condescending attitude? by FABIO 07/01/2003, 5:04am PDT NEW
                        Re: my condescending attitude? by Bill Dungsroman 07/01/2003, 12:45pm PDT NEW
                            Re: my condescending attitude? by curst 07/01/2003, 3:29pm PDT NEW
                                what if i call someone a shitless cunt over AIM? NT by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/01/2003, 7:01pm PDT NEW
                                    disregard. responded to wrong message. i'm the shitless cunt. NT by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/01/2003, 7:03pm PDT NEW
            Re: my condescending attitude? by Jhoh Creexul 07/01/2003, 5:58am PDT NEW
                Re: my condescending attitude? by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 07/01/2003, 2:49pm PDT NEW
            Re: my condescending attitude? by Masked Man 07/01/2003, 7:44pm PDT NEW
                No. by Damocles 07/02/2003, 2:39am PDT NEW
                    "War at Sea" was the George Clooney of the AAoW franchise, apparently NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/02/2003, 2:42am PDT NEW
                        The George Clooney what? NT by foogla 07/02/2003, 4:24am PDT NEW
                            Re: The George Clooney what? by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/02/2003, 4:34am PDT NEW
                                You forgot the nipplesuit. NT by Damocles 07/02/2003, 1:28pm PDT NEW
                                    Joel Schumacher is a terrible director. by laudablepuss 07/02/2003, 6:03pm PDT NEW
                                        "Tigerland" is also good NT by Joel Shoemocker 07/02/2003, 6:15pm PDT NEW
 
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