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Re: FF6 overrated? by Damocles 08/09/2003, 2:28am PDT
FABIO wrote:

Sure the world of ruin was a dissapointment, but so was pretty much everything past hour 6 in FFVII, the entire FFVIII experience ("trying" doesnt cut it. System Shock 2 "tried"), and from what I hear the end of FF9.


A disappointment? It was a trainwreck. There was nothing in FF7 or FF8 that sucked half as bad as wandering around that blasted landscape, collecting characters like pokemon. Crossdressing in FF7 wasn't as gay.

(FF8 improved once drawing ceased being necessary. Lame-ass whining about junctioning and non-SD character design notwithstanding.)

FABIO wrote:

Here's the thing though, I totally agree that loving FF2 (4, whatever) is pure nostaltia. If I try going back to that I just cant do it, it's boring and unpolished by today's standards. However I can keep going back to playing FF6 at any time and still love it. That's something FF7-10 cannot do (well, I can play the midgard part of FF7 repeatedly). That counts for something.

Maybe, but c'mon...that's pretty much just opinion talking, and nostalgia doesn't necessarily have to go away when you actually play the thing. It could colour your play experience. I didn't really start getting annoyed with FF6 until my second play-through... I was a big apologist for the game until I played through the game and realized that all the bitching I had heard about the WoR, the broken esper system, the useless bonus characters, the weak-ass character development (nonexistent in many cases), the stank-ass ending (even FF7's was superior)... all of it was true. Especially after having played Chrono Trigger, a game that did everything FF6 tried to do and did it right.

Personally, I prefer FF2. But I prefer any given Phantasy Star over the lot of them. Including the first, which actually ages REALLY well, better than any other 8-bit game that wasn't made by Nintendo.

Fabio wrote:

Here's my little console RPG craving that hasnt been satisfied since FF6, if you're going to put a ton of people in the party, can you at least let us use most of them? Pretty gay to be running around with a group of 8-12, yet when a battle comes along, it's only 3 or 4 of you doing the fighting. I loved those parts in FF6 where you had multiple parties you switched between. Unless you were a total power gamer, in FF7-9 everyone just stuck with the same members and ignored the rest, leaving them completely atrophied as the game went on (that's one thing I loved about Chrono Trigger, all the characters leveled up together and no one became obsolete). FF10 came close to this, but still no multiple parties at once. How about letting ALL of my party battle at once? Can the processor not handle a few more combatants going through the idle combat stance animation? Especially retarded is strategy RPGs having you venture around with a group of 20, yet limited you to about 5 per battle. There is no excuse not to let you use everyone. If you can handle chess, you can handle a fight with a dozen or two combatants.


Best system for this, for me, was the Suikoden games. The smaller parties were part of a larger group that spent their time training and defending the castle, and levelling up newbies was really, really easy, to the point of having them in a fight or two and then getting up to speed. Also has the speediest combat system ever, at least 1 and 2. Great games.

BTW, FF8 has those "switching" parts, but there was no need to build up more than three junction/spell sets... just swap them around when characters switch. So it didn't have that problem. FF6's multiple party parts were REALLY bad for that "unlevelled' problem you mention, especially at the end with the Goddesses, so I don't know why you're lauding it.
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Note to Homeworld 2 box artist by FABIO 07/25/2003, 3:10am PDT NEW
    Un-Holy Shit! NT by Senor Barborito 07/25/2003, 7:26am PDT NEW
    Re: Note to Homeworld 2 box artist by laudablepuss 07/25/2003, 1:39pm PDT NEW
    notice: not a single spaceship (or even recognizable space) anywhere on cover by FABIO 07/25/2003, 3:32pm PDT NEW
        That chick with the fiberoptic combover is so hot, though! NT by laudablepuss 07/25/2003, 6:17pm PDT NEW
        Re: notice: not a single spaceship (or even recognizable space) anywhere on cover by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/25/2003, 6:41pm PDT NEW
            I'll bet my next paycheck by FABIO 07/25/2003, 10:16pm PDT NEW
                Re: I'll bet my next paycheck by Bill Dungsroman 07/26/2003, 10:11am PDT NEW
                    Re: I'll bet my next paycheck by Random Psycho 07/26/2003, 8:30pm PDT NEW
                        (Ed Norton impression): You're just a voice in my head! NT by Senor Barborito 07/26/2003, 8:40pm PDT NEW
                            (Brad Pitt impression): You're a voice in mine! NT by Random Psycho 07/26/2003, 8:41pm PDT NEW
                You owe me a dollah. by foogla 07/26/2003, 12:21pm PDT NEW
                Re: I'll bet my next paycheck by curst 07/26/2003, 12:39pm PDT NEW
                Fucker by Lizard_King 07/28/2003, 7:16pm PDT NEW
                    wasnt that bad by FABIO 07/30/2003, 6:54pm PDT NEW
                        Re: wasnt that bad by Lizard_King 08/02/2003, 12:51am PDT NEW
                            whoah! by FABIO 08/02/2003, 3:55am PDT NEW
                                Re: whoah! by Lizard_King 08/02/2003, 1:06pm PDT NEW
                                Focusing like a LASER on one sentence for a long hate-filled rant by Damocles 08/02/2003, 2:07pm PDT NEW
                                    Mock me, for I suck at quoting. RETRY by Damocles 08/02/2003, 2:11pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Mock me, for I suck at quoting. RETRY by Entropy Stew 08/02/2003, 7:31pm PDT NEW
                                        FF6 overrated? by FABIO 08/03/2003, 1:55am PDT NEW
                                            Did you find the following to be solutions? by Lizard_King 08/03/2003, 11:41am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Did you find the following to be solutions? by FABIO 08/03/2003, 4:24pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Did you find the following to be solutions? by Lizard_King 08/03/2003, 6:33pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: FF6 overrated? by Forensic 08/03/2003, 11:36pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: FF6 overrated? by Damocles 08/09/2003, 2:28am PDT NEW
                                                Re: FF6 overrated? by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 2:42am PDT NEW
                                                Re: FF6 overrated? by FABIO 08/10/2003, 1:08am PDT NEW
                                                    God, I need to play this again by Entropy Stew 08/11/2003, 8:29am PDT NEW
                                        Re: Mock me, for I suck at quoting. RETRY by Lizard_King 08/03/2003, 11:45am PDT NEW
                                            a hearty "fuck no" for chrono cross by FABIO 08/03/2003, 4:46pm PDT NEW
                                                Huh. by Lizard_King 08/03/2003, 6:38pm PDT NEW
                                                    Every Suikoden has that, and Suikoden II was a masterpiece by Damocles 08/09/2003, 2:37am PDT NEW
                                                        Missed this by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 2:46am PDT NEW
                                                            Suikoden II by FABIO 08/10/2003, 12:26am PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Suikoden II by Lizard_King 08/10/2003, 12:36am PDT NEW
                                                        Skies or Arcadia still Dreamcast only? Wanted to try that for years NT by FABIO 08/09/2003, 11:34pm PDT NEW
                                                            It's out for Gamecube by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 11:56pm PDT NEW
                                                                no gamecube either :( NT by FABIO 08/10/2003, 12:26am PDT NEW
                                                                    Yeah, I figured. NT by Lizard_King 08/10/2003, 12:39am PDT NEW
                                            Re: Mock me, for I suck at quoting. RETRY by Damocles 08/09/2003, 2:34am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Mock me, for I suck at quoting. RETRY by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 2:51am PDT NEW
                                                    do not listen to these lies by FABIO 08/10/2003, 12:11am PDT NEW
                                                        The plot thickens by Lizard_King 08/10/2003, 12:31am PDT NEW
                                                            Re: The plot thickens by FABIO 08/10/2003, 1:23am PDT NEW
                                                                Re: The plot thickens by Lizard_King 08/10/2003, 2:06pm PDT NEW
            Re: notice: not a single spaceship (or even recognizable space) anywhere on cove by Damocles 07/27/2003, 4:40am PDT NEW
                Space Quest 5's mock Weekly World News issue would be #1 pick NT by FABIO 07/28/2003, 9:43am PDT NEW
    The Homeworld 2 Box Artist controversy is no more! by curst 07/29/2003, 4:29pm PDT NEW
        Re: The Homeworld 2 Box Artist controversy is no more! by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/29/2003, 5:00pm PDT NEW
            I mean, really, its still holds the game contents, doesn't it? NT by George Broussard 07/29/2003, 5:48pm PDT NEW
        yes it was me who made the difference NT by FABIO 07/29/2003, 10:30pm PDT NEW
        Not to burst the bubble by Unbitter 07/30/2003, 12:07pm PDT NEW
            I dont think it matters by FABIO 07/30/2003, 6:50pm PDT NEW
 
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