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Re: Do I detect a hint of hyperbole here? by Jhoh Creexul 03/12/2003, 5:02am PST
Jason Love wrote:

Normally, I wouldn't bother with voicing my objections to a particular review, especially on the reviewer's own website. I'd generally just chalk it up to us having different tastes in games and move on. However, I feel you've done the review process itself a disservice with this review, and the only reason I mention it is because you declared you'd "already covered" the review for a website which I generally find to be objective and even-handed.


I am sure that the owner of that mysterious website, who I will not name, would LIKE to say these sorts of things about Xenosaga, but his or her manners will not let them.

I believe that the gamer who can legitemately find enjoyment in a game everyone else recognizes as trash is one of the luckiest people in the world, and your review robs people of the chance to be that gamer.


In a perfect world, yes, I would be robbing them of that chance. Unfortunately, it'll probably only want to make more people play the game to see if it really is that bad (helpful fun hint: it is).

Obviously, as a reviewer it is your job to wave people away from games that will devour their attention just to reward them with a horrible experience, but that can be accomplished without actually poisoning people to the game. Let me give some examples.


I would like to point out, in case my review didn't make it clear, that Xenosaga actually IS poisonous.

"Judging by my senses and perception skills, which are advanced light years beyond any fan of Xenogears or Xenosaga,..." This is exactly what I'm talking about.


NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously, your site sells itself on its edgy and acerbic humor, often coming at the expense of the readers themselves, but this wasn't especially humorous, nor even particularly relevent to the game.


Well ES, Fusbet, Bill Clownshoes, SB, other friends, this obviously means you, since Caltrops isn't mine in any sense. You guys obviously fucked something up really really bad for this guy to get so politely unhappy with you.

I should probably include Zseni. Nice job, people. You FUCKED it up to begin with, now just fucking SIT THERE, like a dumb bell and feel the shame.

This was, quite simply, an attempt to vilify people who enjoy this game. However, I contend that it is possible to enjoy Xenosaga even while being cognizant of its shortcomings. Is any fanservice too much fanservice? You bet your ass it is! Are the religious references entirely arbitrary? Pretty much, yeah. Just because I recognize this, should I not be able to enjoy playing Xenosaga? And if I do, does that make you more intelligent and perceptive than me?

"NO, HOW COULD YOU DO THIS, HOW DARE YOU! YOU ARE JUST LIKE AMERICA WHEN PEARL HARBOR ATTACKED OUR FLEET!" There's that hyperbole, again, this time in service to a metaphor I found extremely tenuous at best, completely unsupported at worst. I also find it interesting that you seem to suggest that, because of Japan's immoral past, they aren't capable of moral behavior now.


On the contrary my fine sir, I could also be implying that they should be vaporized either way!

"The cutscenes in Xenosaga are not really boring, I thought. They're just really really bad. And again, since the game is made up of them, that doesn't exactly give you a lot left to work with." Well, I timed about 8 hours of cutscenes in the 62 hours I've spent playing the game so far. Completely ignoring the fact that you aren't explaining every cutscene is a bad cutscene, that still leaves about 7/8 of the game untouched. It's understood, of course, that you'll play less than me since you aren't enjoying yourself, but even assuming you only played half as much of me, that's still 3/4 of the game undescribed. I think you may have mentioned the gameplay is "boring." Care to elaborate on that?


Gameplay...? I didn't notice any gameplay. I noticed some corridor wandering and occasional button presses.

Maybe I would've played throughout all 600+ hours of objectively brilliant art if I weren't such an uncultured gaijin I suppose. I'm too much of a non-Japanese type carbon unit to appreciate the brilliant brilliance of Xenosaga.

"Some of the creepiest motherfuckers you could ever regret meeting, even if it's on a message board on the internet." Not only does this blanket statement have nothing to do with the game itself, I would also argue that it's not true. Well, actually, since it's your opinion, who am I to say that it's not true? But I don't much appreciate being labeld a creepy motherfucker, regardless.


B-blanket statements!?!?! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET, NOW! WE NEED TO GET RID OF PEOPLE MAKING GENERALIZATIONS ABOUT EACH OTHER PLZ OH GOD I CAN'T SEE I AM CRYING TOO HARD BUMPING INTO WALLS AND BIG GAY DICKS

Anyway I made my observation about Xenosaga/gears fans by observing them. About roughly 100% (or more) met the description I have given them. Maybe if there were less people like that who liked Xenogears, I wouldn't have said such things.

"Everything right about this game was stolen from FFX. Everything they brought themselves is fucked up beyond belief, repair, and forgiveness." Really, I just included this part to ask: exactly which successful part did you have in mind as being stolen from FFX?


You are right, I forgot that part. Gomen!

The part that they got right was the saving being very nice and quick, and the saving screen being very easily laid out. It looked almost identical to the one in FFX. The battle system, however, was muddled until it looked like a big mess, there was actually a motherfucking slot machine in it. Someone needs to be executed for that one.

Personally, I was of the opinion that the two games were enjoyable for entirely different reasons--the main things I liked about FFX being entirely absent from Xenosaga, and vice versa. Would you like to explain that further?


Well, explaining it further: FFX is better. You're welcome.

I don't want to judge unfairly, but from the tone of your website it's hard to imagine that I'll get a serious response to my complaints;


That is a start, but if Xenosaga fans didn't take everything so seriously, they wouldn't be Xenosaga fans now would they?

I'm going to call that good for now. I'll be very interested to hear your response.

Abundantly obsequious,

Jason Love


It sounds like you've let the saga take you. RIGHT UP THE ASS YOU FUCKIN COCKSUCKER

PS: So I assume you enjoyed MOMO's panties.
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Do I detect a hint of hyperbole here? by Jason Love 03/12/2003, 4:11am PST NEW
    Let me help you by Senor Barborito 03/12/2003, 4:24am PST NEW
        Re: Let me help you by Jason Love 03/12/2003, 6:18am PST NEW
            0 to sanity in 2 hours and 7 minutes is nothing to be ashamed of by Senor Barborito 03/12/2003, 6:48am PST NEW
                That beats my personal best. -nt- NT by Chairman Mao 03/12/2003, 11:31am PST NEW
        Anybody else reminded of the "Truthmedia" thing over at SA? Plus, hats. by Damocles (Token Xenosaga Defender) 03/12/2003, 7:53pm PST NEW
            You mean except for being funny of course. by Jhoh Creexul 03/12/2003, 11:39pm PST NEW
                Of course, and your screenshots are needlessly and cruelly deceptive by Damocles, TXD 03/13/2003, 3:23am PST NEW
                    Re: Of course, and your screenshots are needlessly and cruelly deceptive by Jhoh Creexul 03/13/2003, 4:26am PST NEW
                        Re: Of course, and your screenshots are needlessly and cruelly deceptive by Morty McMahon - Caltrops lounge act 03/13/2003, 11:11am PST NEW
                        There's no such thing as originality. by Damocles, TXD 03/13/2003, 2:20pm PST NEW
                            Re: There's no such thing as originality. by Rob Browning 03/13/2003, 6:50pm PST NEW
                                That's nice. Now try reading the post you replied to -nt- by Entropy Stew 03/13/2003, 7:36pm PST NEW
                                    ROB BROWNNOSING NOOOOOO WHY WERE YOU SO BWAVE by Jhoh Creexul 03/13/2003, 11:43pm PST NEW
                                        It's your love that makes it all worthwhile -NT- by Damocles, TXD 03/14/2003, 4:04am PST NEW
                            There's no such thing as originality IN XENOSAGA YES I AGREE (nt) by Jhoh Creexul 03/13/2003, 11:33pm PST NEW
    Meet Jason Love. (broadband) by motherhead 03/12/2003, 4:27am PST NEW
        Meat Jason Love by Senor Barborito 03/12/2003, 4:39am PST NEW
            Re: Meat Jason Love by foogla 03/12/2003, 4:58am PST NEW
                Re: Meat Jason Love by Jason Love 03/12/2003, 5:05am PST NEW
            Re: Meat Jason Love by Jason Love 03/12/2003, 5:07am PST NEW
    Re: Do I detect a hint of hyperbole here? by Jhoh Creexul 03/12/2003, 5:02am PST NEW
        Re: Do I detect a hint of hyperbole here? by Jason Love 03/12/2003, 6:00am PST NEW
            A Rant by Senor Barborito 03/12/2003, 6:47am PST NEW
                As if in reply, Slashdot linked a beautiful article on the subject by Senor Barborito 03/12/2003, 7:40am PST NEW
                    "Drink the cool aid" -- Greg Costikyan by Fussbett 03/13/2003, 1:05am PST NEW
                Re: A Rant by Jason Love 03/12/2003, 8:01am PST NEW
                    Re: A Rant by Jhoh Creexul 03/12/2003, 8:37am PST NEW
                        Re: A Rant by FoK 03/12/2003, 9:40am PST NEW
                    Re: A Rant by Bill Dungsroman 03/12/2003, 12:14pm PST NEW
                        Perhaps by Masked Man 03/14/2003, 9:20am PST NEW
            Re: Do I detect a hint of hyperbole here? by Jhoh Creexul 03/12/2003, 6:48am PST NEW
    60 hours???? by FABIO 03/12/2003, 12:18pm PST NEW
        Re: 60 hours???? by Jhoh Creexul 03/12/2003, 11:43pm PST NEW
            Re: 60 hours???? by Jason Love 03/13/2003, 3:45am PST NEW
                Re: 60 hours???? by Jhoh Creexul 03/13/2003, 5:03am PST NEW
                *sigh* I miss rfblasco by Wacky Willy 03/13/2003, 9:38am PST NEW
                    Jason's misguided fondness for mediocrity revealed! by Bill Dungsroman 03/13/2003, 10:58am PST NEW
                    Re: *sigh* I miss rfblasco by Jhoh Creexul 03/13/2003, 11:34pm PST NEW
                        Re: *sigh* I miss rfblasco by Jason Love 03/14/2003, 4:01am PST NEW
                            Re: *sigh* I miss rfblasco by Damocles 03/14/2003, 4:13am PST NEW
                                Re: *sigh* I miss rfblasco by Jhoh Creexul 03/14/2003, 5:25am PST NEW
                            Re: *sigh* I miss rfblasco by Jhoh Creexul 03/14/2003, 5:26am PST NEW
    For the record: The parent post is not by me, SB. by jeep 03/12/2003, 2:36pm PST NEW
        Har, Har, You Bastard by Senor Barborito 03/12/2003, 8:05pm PST NEW
            Re: Har, Har, You Bastard by jeep 03/16/2003, 1:58pm PST NEW
                ONCE AGAIN I WRONG YOU by Senor Barborito 03/16/2003, 3:03pm PST NEW
                    WAIT WAIT I REMEMBER by Senor Barborito 03/16/2003, 3:09pm PST NEW
 
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