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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO by Entropy Stew 06/04/2003, 10:08am PDT
FABIO wrote:

some loser who misses OMM wrote:

...besides the old Ogre Tactics one that they already released. I don't have a GBA so I'm sort of irritated, but FFT was one of the best games ever, if this new one's good it'll be the killer app that gets me to buy GBA. I bought FFT at cover price when it first came out (like $50) and it dissapeared off the shelves. Within a few months it was $100+ on ebay, then (more recently) Sony rereleased it as one of their bargain-priced games, so you can get an actual legal copy for $20.

The whole time I played FFT I had the strangest feeling that, despite all the standrad Final Fantasy character design elements, there was something to it I was recognizing from somewhere else...then I realized what it was: That jobs system is ripped straight out of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, which is no criticism, it just suddenly made the character development optimization very obvious.



The one for GBA is crap. Rather than let characters take their turn based on speed or initiative, this one took a more basic turn based approach and had one side go, move and attack with all their units, then let the other side go. Gwa? Compounding this problem was the fact that attacking a guy from behind gives you a huge advantage (he cant counterattack). Since each side had alternating turns, you could pretty much get behind someone every turn unless he was against a wall or formed a VERY long line around him with all his characters. This led to some pretty silly duels of one character running behind someone, attacking, then the next turn the person he hit would walk around him and attack, and so on. It also ment that since each side could all move at once, your opponent could gang up on and kill one or two of your full health units in a single turn before you could do anything. And death is pretty much permanent in the game. I mean, you die the INSTANT you hit zero hitpoints, none of this getting three turns to revive your guys with a phoenix down. Remember how you absolutely could not afford to lose guys in FF:T and new recruits were utterly useless squires? Same deal with TO. I deleted the ROM after two battles, and this from someone who stuck with all EIGHTY hours of the PSX Tactics Ogre.

PSX Tactics Ogre was very good and very bad at the same time. Originally released for the SNES, you'll quickly see that this was the inspiration for FF:T (same people); the plots mirror each other almost exactly. What was great about TO was that it truly had several arching storylines. "Will you follow orders and slaughter this village? Yes/No?". Answering yes makes you feel guilty but gets you promoted to your nation's leader's right hand man. Answering no has the town's destruction pinned on you and puts you on the run for the rest of the game. There are several other such major branches, but since each run through the game will take about 80 hours, I never explored more than one. The bad was a very screwy and tedious levelling system; every hour of actual story battles was complemented by two or three hours of "training mode" which basically amounted to your characters throwing rocks at each other. Fun main game, gay and tedious levelling. Also worth mentioning is the absurdly hard secret dungeon. Remember the bonus dungeon in FF:T with 8 levels? Imagine the same thing only with one HUNDRED levels, complete with having to find the hidden switch in order to advance. Oh yeah and no healing in between levels. And if you leave the dungeon, you cant go back to the last level you cleared, you've got the start ALL OVER again. Guh


Why must Square fuck up my most loved games by them? I'm still pissed about the Secret of Mana sequel, and now this. Fuck.

-/ES/-
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Turn based tactical combat that doesn't suck? by Bitter 05/30/2003, 9:32pm PDT NEW
    Re: Turn based tactical combat that doesn't suck? by Alternate789 05/30/2003, 11:29pm PDT NEW
    Re: Turn based tactical combat that doesn't suck? by No Body 05/31/2003, 12:40am PDT NEW
        Age of Wonders by Ice Cream Jonsey 06/03/2003, 5:56am PDT NEW
            Re: Age of Wonders by No Body 06/03/2003, 7:01am PDT NEW
                A few words of warning about AoW2 by curst 06/03/2003, 9:55am PDT NEW
                    Re: A few words of warning about AoW2 by foogla 06/03/2003, 10:20am PDT NEW
                Re: Age of Wonders by Ice Cream Jonsey 06/03/2003, 5:55pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Age of Wonders by foogla 06/03/2003, 6:55pm PDT NEW
            You HAVE played FFT, right? NT by Entropy Stew 06/03/2003, 8:13pm PDT NEW
                Re: You HAVE played FFT, right? by Ice Cream Jonsey 06/03/2003, 8:32pm PDT NEW
                    GET IT NOW NOW NOW STOP READING AND BUY WAREZ KILL WHATEVER GET IT GET IT GET IT by Entropy Stew 06/03/2003, 8:47pm PDT NEW
                        Acknowledged! Moving out! NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 06/03/2003, 8:49pm PDT NEW
                            plot is convoluted, but yeah by FABIO 06/03/2003, 10:23pm PDT NEW
                                oh, and to increase your enjoyment by FABIO 06/03/2003, 10:26pm PDT NEW
                                    Do what he says by Entropy Stew 06/03/2003, 10:37pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Do what he says by FABIO 06/04/2003, 1:12am PDT NEW
                                            forgot, TOTALLY IMPORTANT GAMEPLAY TIP by FABIO 06/04/2003, 1:16am PDT NEW
                                                Re: forgot, TOTALLY IMPORTANT GAMEPLAY TIP by mrs. johnson 06/04/2003, 1:46am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: forgot, TOTALLY IMPORTANT GAMEPLAY TIP by wide hurt 06/04/2003, 2:36am PDT NEW
                                                        Man, I can't wait to play FFT. Once I finish this gay Wild Arms shit, that is. NT by Lizard_King 06/04/2003, 3:30am PDT NEW
                                                            you're sticking with Wld Arms??? by FABIO 06/04/2003, 1:11pm PDT NEW
                                                                Actually, it is quite exceptional... by Lizard_King 06/05/2003, 3:13am PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Actually, it is quite exceptional... by FABIO 06/05/2003, 8:06am PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Actually, it is quite exceptional... by foogla 06/05/2003, 8:20am PDT NEW
                    DO NOT PLAY FALLOUT TACTICS. IT WILL DESTROY YOUR FAITH IN GAMES. NT by Senor Barborito 06/03/2003, 9:19pm PDT NEW
                        SECONDED NT by Entropy Stew 06/03/2003, 9:45pm PDT NEW
                            It's good, I think, but for some reason I just stopped playing at chapter 4. NT by mrs. johnson 06/03/2003, 10:06pm PDT NEW
                                Whoops, I thought that was FF Tactics, not Fallout. NT by mrs. johnson 06/03/2003, 10:08pm PDT NEW
                            Not necessarily thirded by curst 06/04/2003, 10:39am PDT NEW
                                Dynasty Tactics by FABIO 06/04/2003, 1:15pm PDT NEW
                        CARE TO EXPLAIN WHY? NT by arbit 06/04/2003, 1:37pm PDT NEW
                            Re: CARE TO EXPLAIN WHY? by FABIO 06/05/2003, 10:46am PDT NEW
                                Re: CARE TO EXPLAIN WHY? by Ice Cream Jonsey 06/05/2003, 3:54pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: CARE TO EXPLAIN WHY? by FABIO 06/05/2003, 8:05pm PDT NEW
                    FFT has eaten more hours of my life than any other video game by wide hurt 06/04/2003, 1:35am PDT NEW
    You're describing the game I'd like to develop, almost by Senor Barborito 05/31/2003, 3:00am PDT NEW
    answers by FABIO 05/31/2003, 3:37am PDT NEW
        Re: answers by Bitter. 05/31/2003, 10:56pm PDT NEW
            Re: answers by FABIO 06/01/2003, 1:14am PDT NEW
                Jagged Alliance 2 NT by fag packet 06/01/2003, 9:15pm PDT NEW
                Re: answers by Bitter 06/04/2003, 12:05am PDT NEW
                    Re: answers by FABIO 06/04/2003, 1:40am PDT NEW
    Thanks for this thread by K. Thor Jensen 06/02/2003, 6:23pm PDT NEW
        Two words: Rape Button NT by Entropy Stew 06/02/2003, 11:56pm PDT NEW
        Re: Thanks for this thread by Bitter 06/04/2003, 12:06am PDT NEW
        There's a FFT sequel coming for GBA by some loser who misses OMM 06/04/2003, 12:18am PDT NEW
            Tactics Ogre by FABIO 06/04/2003, 2:15am PDT NEW
                PS by FABIO 06/04/2003, 2:34am PDT NEW
                Re: Tactics Ogre by wide hurt 06/04/2003, 3:06am PDT NEW
                NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO by Entropy Stew 06/04/2003, 10:08am PDT NEW
                    I don't think Square had anything to do with Tactics Ogre NT by Bob Violence 06/04/2003, 11:21am PDT NEW
                        I hope so -nt- by Entropy Stew 06/04/2003, 11:46am PDT NEW
 
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