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Re: Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by laudablepuss 01/31/2003, 3:28pm PST
Zseni wrote:

Look, I'm not questioning the fact that Iraq is a dangerous country. But I have a really hard time getting my head around why it has suddenly become so dangerous that we have to go to war over it. And all these months we have been making Big War Talk and discussing his assassination, building or failing to build international support, mobilizing troops and surveying the region - we pull out now and who has egg all over his face? Hint: it's not Saddam. Another hint: it's us.

And in the meanwhile, what has happened to the War on Terrorism? What happen to the War in Afghanistan? You never hear about them any more. Where did they go? Are they over or not? Will the same fate befall the War in Iraq?


First, I believe the Taliban in Afghanistan have been mostly destroyed along with the Al-Quaeda resources in that country. We still have troops there and AFAIK are attempting to rebuild the country, or at least working out plans to do so.

Anyway, have you been following the Iraq debate over at Qt3? Dr. Crypt, Eric, and a few others are making some convincing arguments (Eric has a particularly good post here.) Check it out.

For my part, I can't believe one of your justifications for peace (or proofs of an unjust war or whatever) is that Saddam's been thumbing his nose at the UN for 10 years, so jumping on him now is hypocrtitical or something. Isn't this like saying that driving 100 MPH is dangerous, unless you've been doing it for years, then it suddenly becomes less dangerous? Some people, including myself, were very very annoyed when the weapons inspectors left and very upset that this jackass was given such a long time to get his armaments programs back on track. One of my main complaints about the Clinton administration.

As for ties or the lack thereof to terrorist organizations, the only equation I see is:

Lunatic + Nuclear weapons + Terrorists groups merely existing nearby = all kinds of potential for mayhem. Let's give Saddam some nukes, then see if he can keep them under control! It'll be a great game of wait and cringe.

For the record: I agree we need to go after Saudi Fucking Arabia. And North Korea. The need for action elsewhere has no bearing whatsoever on the need for action in Iraq.

Also, apparently oil companies all over the world are against the war in Iraq. And there's some question (again at Qt3) about how much good it'd do to have the US in complete control of Iraqi oil. I have to admit that I can't find evidence of this on my own yet (what search phrase should I try? "oil companies against war" brings up countless NO BLOOD FOR OIL pages), but I trust the sources at Qt3.
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Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by Zseni 01/30/2003, 10:39pm PST NEW
    Re: Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by Jhoh Creexul 01/30/2003, 10:45pm PST NEW
    And Part Two, you scattershot. by Zseni 01/30/2003, 11:08pm PST NEW
        Also, [quote]. (nt) NT by Zseni, shaking a shaky fist. 01/30/2003, 11:09pm PST NEW
        I fucking hate to agree with you, but this was good (more) by Senor Barborito 01/31/2003, 12:10am PST NEW
            Re: I fucking hate to agree with you, but this was good (more) by niche 01/31/2003, 3:08pm PST NEW
                Re: I fucking hate to agree with you, but this was good (more) by Senor Barborito 01/31/2003, 3:34pm PST NEW
                    Re: I fucking hate to agree with you, but this was good (more) by niche 01/31/2003, 4:27pm PST NEW
        Re: And Part Two, you scattershot. by E. L. Koba 01/31/2003, 2:23am PST NEW
    warning: this post has nothing to do with ronnie james dio. (n/t) by lilgorgor 01/30/2003, 11:20pm PST NEW
    Hey! by Fullofkittens 01/31/2003, 12:18am PST NEW
        I'm sympathetic to this, yeah by Senor Barborito 01/31/2003, 12:47am PST NEW
        THATS WHY I MADE A FUCKING WAR & PEACE FORUM! -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 01/31/2003, 1:17am PST NEW
    Re: Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by Spider Jerusalem 01/31/2003, 12:56pm PST NEW
    Re: Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by laudablepuss 01/31/2003, 3:28pm PST NEW
        Re: Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by Mischief Maker 01/31/2003, 5:22pm PST NEW
            Re: Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by laudablepuss 01/31/2003, 7:23pm PST NEW
        Re: Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by Zseni 01/31/2003, 6:57pm PST NEW
            Some crap I found by laudablepuss 01/31/2003, 8:19pm PST NEW
                North Korea by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/31/2003, 8:45pm PST NEW
            Re: Jesus, why not just bury it, Dio? by Bodybag 01/31/2003, 9:54pm PST NEW
 
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