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by Zsenicorpse 07/09/2006, 2:05pm PDT |
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Fussbett wrote:
I went there!
No, I totally think there's just a complete dislocation between the pleasure centers of Wes Anderson fans and Wes Anderson detractors. Like: I can't stand anything he makes! I can't even watch the trailers. I fucking hate him. But my genius is unimpeachable! So pure intellect just isn't enough. You have to be part of his tribe.
I think you need to have a particularly large and refined intellect to enjoy, say, the latest Scott Walker album. But most people, like maybe 99.994% of the human race, think it is unlistenable trash. I couldn't even float the idea that it's a work of brilliant and peerless majesty here, where people are generally very smart! Because it's just uninhabitable and that's that. In fact that's a large enough percentage to justify the generalisation "nobody likes Scott Walker." Then there's really popular stuff, like American Idol, where you can think about making claims like "everyone likes American Idol." Or "everyone likes pie." Something like that.
Then there's the Wes Anderson Niche. That's when a phenomenon has a large enough following that its members can run into each other on the street, but small enough that all said members are likely to have other things in common - one of which is that they represent a minority of the population in their tastes. Similar fan phenomena include things like: McSweeney's, Pitchfork Media, American Apparel, Sufjan Stevens or Arcade Fire, etc. etc. I think Wes Anderson fans come from such similar backgrounds and have such similar philosophies of value and aesthetics - all of which work together to produce a population naturally inclined to consider themselves as elite, connoissieurs of fine found art, that sort of thing. So their approach to being fans of Wes Anderson is one that smells like elitism and makes elitist claims, like "you're not smart enough to appreciate Wes Anderson movies."
A tormented soul like myself, born loving only the very finest and most elegant forms of entertainment (Steven Seagal, Scott Walker, cake, devotional literature of the 9th and 10th centuries, etc.), has only ever known mockery and shame. There aren't enough people who like anything that I like for us to collectively form a group, much less one with pretentions to elitism. So it makes me just furious when hacks like Wes Anderson grow, like crystals, elitist fandoms. There are a million better and more interesting things to watch, aren't there? But having had all my elitist tendencies rigorously sandblasted by widespread criticism, I understand that Wes Anderson fans are watching something totally different than what I'm watching when I was a Wes Anderson movie.
You guys are seeing something I can't, just like, when I flip on that Scott Walker album, I'm hearing something you can't.
This essentially meaningless difference of opinions is Not Funny or even Interesting. It would be interesting, although probably not funny, to figure out what it is that Wes Anderson fans are seeing. What's the tug? What are they saying to you?
Which is similar to what Flavio was asking for.
ODDS ARE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT. If Wes Anderson movies mean anything like what I think they must mean to their fans... That's some scary personal-ass shit! Why on earth would you want to talk about it in a forum like this one!? |
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Someone explain Wes Anderson to me by Flavio 07/09/2006, 2:54am PDT 
Wes Anderson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia by Jeff Fries 07/09/2006, 3:38am PDT 
I would also like proof of the Owen Wilson thing NT by Cubey 07/09/2006, 6:00am PDT 
Exhibit #1, Bottle Rocket NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/09/2006, 6:48am PDT 
Bottle Rocket itself falls under the "please explain" domain by Flavio 07/09/2006, 9:07am PDT 
Re: Someone explain Wes Anderson to me by Fullofkittens 07/09/2006, 10:32am PDT 
I found Bottle Rocket unwatchable. by Lizard_King 07/09/2006, 3:23pm PDT 
Ben Stiller was great in Royal Tennembaums NT by Postscripts from a Bizarro World 07/09/2006, 5:01pm PDT 
Me too, but Rushmore was fun to watch by jeep 07/10/2006, 5:45pm PDT 
Re: Someone explain Wes Anderson to me by Flavio 07/09/2006, 8:16pm PDT 
A Sisphyean endeavour by Choson 07/09/2006, 10:39am PDT 
Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by Fussbett 07/09/2006, 12:50pm PDT 
Re: Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by Zsenicorpse 07/09/2006, 2:05pm PDT 
Wasn't Scott Walker the guy in The Fast and the Furious who wasn't Vin Diesel? by Jerry Whorebach 07/09/2006, 2:20pm PDT 
Re: Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by Quentin Beck 07/09/2006, 5:04pm PDT 
Re: Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by Choson 07/09/2006, 5:05pm PDT 
Re: Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by Mysterio 07/09/2006, 8:01pm PDT 
Your argument has one fatal flaw. by Jerry Whorebach 07/09/2006, 8:58pm PDT 
Listen shitface, I'm the resident unreadably pompous FUCK. by Zsenicorpse 07/09/2006, 9:46pm PDT 
Next time, perhaps. NT by Mysterio 07/10/2006, 12:18am PDT 
There was never a first time. by Zsenicorpse 07/10/2006, 7:00am PDT 
Re: Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by One more obvious joke guy arriving 07/10/2006, 12:51am PDT 
Re: Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by Entropy Stew 07/10/2006, 2:39am PDT 
Re: Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by Zsenicorpse 07/10/2006, 7:06am PDT 
Re: Wes Anderson movies may be too smart for you. by Entropy Stew 07/10/2006, 3:05pm PDT 
I Own Many Leather-Bound Books and My Apartment Smells of Rich Mahogany. NT by Ron Burgandy 07/10/2006, 8:30pm PDT 
Hahaha now tell her to go back to her home on whore island. NT by Creexul :( 07/10/2006, 10:09pm PDT 
We're best friends. NT by INC and Creexul 07/11/2006, 11:16am PDT 
Sorry but no music is good anymore, it's all for FAGGOTS. Old news. NT by Creexul :( 07/10/2006, 10:11pm PDT 
We're best friends. NT by INC and Creexul 07/11/2006, 11:16am PDT 
OH GOD THIS STINGS HORRIBLY NT by Creexul :( 07/11/2006, 4:20pm PDT 
Weren't you the first here to announce that Rushmore wasn't that great? NT by Flavio 07/09/2006, 7:45pm PDT 
I'm just in the minority that thinks Rushmore it's not his best. by Fussbett 07/09/2006, 10:58pm PDT 
Craftsmanship. NT by conflictNo 07/09/2006, 9:22pm PDT 
Re: Someone explain Wes Anderson to me by Mischief Maker 07/10/2006, 6:48pm PDT 
What did you think of Bottle Rocket? NT by Flavio 07/10/2006, 7:57pm PDT 
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