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Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by whydirt, caltrops footpad 07/22/2003, 2:03pm PDT
laudablepuss wrote:


My first impression was: Wizards of the Coast is screwing us again. The original core books were $20 each. These new books are $30. So I was annoyed. But what I discovered was that the books contain tons of extra shit from the paperback handbooks (like the rogue and bard handbook, the fighter and monk handbook, etc.) and tons of stuff from the Manual of the Planes and the Epic Players Handbook. Also, the Monster Manual pulls some of the new monsters together and gets them more in line with the rules modifications in Savage Species. I wouldn't go so far as to say that these books are a bargain, since there is still info in those other books that isn't included, but you do get some good stuff for the price.

The only reason the first round of core books went for $20 was so that WotC could rebuild their customer base and because of HUGE economy of scale. You wont see core books of almost any game under $25 these days, and those that are less expensive usually have shitty production quality.

Other cool new things: several new prestige classes, the feat list is more complete (drawing from the other published sources), the spell lists are expanded somewhat, and the combat rules are presented in a more streamlined format.

So far, the only thing that's pissed me off is the Assassin prestige class. In the previous version, the Assassin cast arcane spells like a wizard, had a spell book, and the primary spellcasting attribute was Intelligence. In the new version, they fuck everything up by having the Assassin cast like a Sorceror but retaining Intelligence as the primary attribute. This annoys the fuck out of me. Charisma was supposed to be a sort of personal power attribute from which Sorcerors and Bards draw the energy for their spells. Clerics and Paladins use Charisma in a simillar fashion to turn undead and smite evil. Now Intelligence can be used the same way? But only for Assassins? What the fuck? Why not just make Dexterity the primary attribute then? And their spells per day list and spells known list are also bastardizations of the equivalent wizard and sorceror tables. I'm thinking now that the Assassin class is irredeemably fucked up and that I'm going to have to throw it away and start over.

That doesn't bother me much considering that the Assassin is aimed at NPCs (or evil PCs) to begin with. I mostly use the ones in the DMG as examples to build from anyway. It wouldn't be difficult to retain the old casting system - it's not like the RPG police will raid your game if you don't use all the revised rules.
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DnD 3.5 SRD released by whydirt, caltrops footpad 07/22/2003, 4:19am PDT NEW
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                Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by laudablepuss 07/22/2003, 11:05am PDT NEW
                    Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by foogla 07/22/2003, 11:30am PDT NEW
            Bored at work, talkin' dnd on company time, jesus what am I doing with my life? by godamit 07/22/2003, 11:29am PDT NEW
                Re: Bored at work, talkin' dnd on company time, jesus what am I doing with my life? by laudablepuss 07/22/2003, 11:57am PDT NEW
                    Re: Bored at work, talkin' dnd on company time, jesus what am I doing with my li by godamit 07/22/2003, 12:32pm PDT NEW
            Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by whydirt, caltrops footpad 07/22/2003, 2:03pm PDT NEW
                Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by laudablepuss 07/22/2003, 4:11pm PDT NEW
                    Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by whydirt, caltrops footpad 07/22/2003, 7:05pm PDT NEW
                        What's to understand? by laudablepuss 07/23/2003, 3:20am PDT NEW
                            Re: What's to understand? by foogla 07/23/2003, 5:29am PDT NEW
        Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by whydirt, caltrops footpad 07/22/2003, 2:00pm PDT NEW
            Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by foogla 07/22/2003, 6:17pm PDT NEW
                Re: DnD 3.5 SRD released by whydirt, caltrops footpad 07/22/2003, 6:59pm PDT NEW
    SRD compiled into pdf files by whydirt, caltrops HALFLIFE2 07/22/2003, 8:53pm PDT NEW
    My impresstion of this thread by Mischief Maker 07/24/2003, 3:11pm PDT NEW
        Re: My impresstion of this thread by laudablepuss 07/24/2003, 5:17pm PDT NEW
            Re: My impresstion of this thread by Callow Sniper 07/24/2003, 7:01pm PDT NEW
                Re: My impresstion of this thread by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/24/2003, 7:43pm PDT NEW
            I'd bet anything they still dont hold a candle to Champions, GURPS, by FABIO 07/24/2003, 10:00pm PDT NEW
                Say, aren't you the guy that hates SS2? NT by Dead Horse 07/25/2003, 3:36am PDT NEW
                Bored, FABIO? by laudablepuss 07/25/2003, 2:38pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Bored, FABIO? by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/25/2003, 2:55pm PDT NEW
                        Feeding Frenzy by Callow Sniper 07/26/2003, 12:07am PDT NEW
                            'Insipid Horseshit' is a bad name for a band by chunguo 07/26/2003, 8:53pm PDT NEW
                    just fascinated with your fascination with clunky role playing NT by FABIO 07/25/2003, 3:40pm PDT NEW
                        I'll take that as a yes to both questions, then. NT by laudablepuss 07/25/2003, 4:48pm PDT NEW
                            MM is the only one who can legitimately say D&D sucks? NT by FABIO 07/26/2003, 12:37am PDT NEW
                                I know this means a lot to you. by laudablepuss 07/26/2003, 8:31pm PDT NEW
                                Yes NT by The Mischievous Goat of Power 07/27/2003, 2:10pm PDT NEW
 
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