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by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 7:17pm PDT |
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Entropy Stew wrote:
I am suspicious of a term like AI-complete. With NP-complete problems, we have a number of nice qualities among these: a reduction proof which proves NP-completeness, and the ability to understand how to prehaps reduce the complexity of a problem until it winds up in P. On the general class of graphs Longest Path is NP-complete, it is in P on a DAG; can any AI-complete be provably reduced to a computable form? Regardless, I agree that the above problems are very very hard. Maybe on some level people are too quick to equate AI-Complete with NP-Complete which is why we end up with hill-climbing as the ultimate solution.
When a task requires the creativity of an artist or modeller, a task which most humans aren't creative enough to do with any sort of skill, I'm not suspicious of the term. It's like when one of clients (a particularly irritating one) asked me why my job as a computer programmer can't be automated by another computer program. I don't expect much from Mac users, but that was right out.
-/ES/-
The answer to that is simple - the job of a computer programmer is to take requests to write a program and produce working code. Now, it is possible (albeit a very, very large project) to teach a machine everything it needs to know about another machine such that it can actually create code for it. What it is not possible to teach a computer to do (and this is where AI-strong applies) is to take requests to write useful code for custom requests. To do this would require teaching the machine all of the heuristics and specialized knowledge that a human being has about the world encoded within it's 150 connections/neuron (avg) * 30 trillion neurons - an impossible task.
This is why it is possible, btw, to create real Turing-level AI for NPCs in fantasy MMORPGs, but not for the modern world. The elements that make up a medieval world + magic + monsters are so far less complicated (and specialized knowledge so much rarer) than the heuristics required for basic functioning today that the Cyc project of Ye Olde Times would have been a success where today it is a relative impossibility. This interesting realization was one of the main reasons our project ever got the green light and serious funding from the school in the first place.
--SB
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ARE GAMES ART? Avault investigates. by Fussbett 05/20/2003, 5:57pm PDT 
... by Lizard_King 05/20/2003, 6:04pm PDT
Re: ARE GAMES ART? Avault investigates. by Monty Cantsin 05/21/2003, 1:09am PDT
Re: ARE GAMES ART? Avault investigates. by Monty Cantsin 05/21/2003, 1:15am PDT
Shock and Awe by Entropy Stew 05/21/2003, 1:21am PDT
Re: Shock and Awe by ydrt 05/21/2003, 1:27am PDT
Maybe YOU should be the new about page!!!!! NT by Entropy Stew 05/21/2003, 1:31am PDT
also: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NT by Entropy Stew 05/21/2003, 1:31am PDT
We've got more about page jokes over here NT by GAY THREAD CONTAINMENT TEAM STATLER 05/21/2003, 3:01am PDT
Tell me more about We've got more about page jokes over here NT by Dr. Sbaitso 05/21/2003, 3:22am PDT
You know what fixes repetetive jokes? OLDER REPETETIVE JOKES! NT by Entropy Stew 05/21/2003, 3:34am PDT
BWA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! NT by GAY THREAD CONTAINMENT TEAM WALDORF 05/21/2003, 4:30am PDT
I desperately hope I crash NT by The Forum SB 05/21/2003, 5:14am PDT
ATOR? NT by Y-DURT 05/21/2003, 5:16am PDT
Holy fuck. I never, ever, EVER thought I would see that. by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 3:44pm PDT
Re: Holy fuck. I never, ever, EVER thought I would see that. by Entropy Stew 05/21/2003, 4:50pm PDT
Pffft by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 6:02pm PDT
Re: Pffft by mark 05/21/2003, 8:44pm PDT
Ixnay by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 9:19pm PDT
"his" not "he's". Going to bed now. NT by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 9:20pm PDT
You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by Entropy Stew 05/22/2003, 2:58am PDT
Re: You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by mark 05/22/2003, 10:10am PDT
Re: You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by Entropy Stew 05/22/2003, 5:52pm PDT
Re: You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 7:17pm PDT
Re: You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by Monty Cantsin 05/22/2003, 8:05pm PDT
Um, no by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 8:26pm PDT
If I think you're already dead enough, will it happen? by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 1:33pm PDT
You're horribly, horribly confused on practically every level by Entropy Stew 05/22/2003, 5:31pm PDT
Your failure to even attempt being informed is making me hemorrhage. by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 8:23pm PDT
Just my artsy fartsy two cents... by Chairman Mao 05/22/2003, 8:55pm PDT
Re: Just my artsy fartsy two cents... by mark 05/22/2003, 9:07pm PDT
That is one of the funniest things I have ever seen... NT by Chairman Mao 05/22/2003, 9:12pm PDT
Well, here's the problem by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 9:10pm PDT
Re: Well, here's the problem by Chairman Mao 05/22/2003, 9:17pm PDT
Answer by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 11:05pm PDT
Re: ARE GAMES ART? Avault investigates. by Fussbett 05/21/2003, 6:37pm PDT
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