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Ixnay by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 9:19pm PDT
mark wrote:

Senor Barborito wrote:


Yes, I've seen this. The solution to most AI-complete issues is to adapt a bottom-up approach rather than a top-down one.


What would be an example of someone using bottom-up approach to solve these issues? Are you just saying that if I want a computer to understand "Tombstone Blues" I should start at the phoneme level instead of trying to comprehend the entire song at once and then work to the specifics? I guess I'm not seeing why bottom-up thinking would be so alien to a logician.

mark


An example of a bottom-up approach is genetic programs that result in the most efficient Alife. neural networks, etc. Rodney Brooks over at MIT and he's pet project Cog would be the current flagship for this camp of AI.

Top-down AI is logician's AI - heuristics, symbolic AI, etc. Doug Lenat's Cyc expert system is the penultimate example of this camp of AI.

The trick is to use heuristic maps to set ranges within which highly flexible neural networks can run wild, using trial and error to teach them what works and what does not on a visual level.

--SB
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ARE GAMES ART? Avault investigates. by Fussbett 05/20/2003, 5:57pm PDT NEW
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    Re: ARE GAMES ART? Avault investigates. by Monty Cantsin 05/21/2003, 1:09am PDT NEW
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            Holy fuck. I never, ever, EVER thought I would see that. by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 3:44pm PDT NEW
                Re: Holy fuck. I never, ever, EVER thought I would see that. by Entropy Stew 05/21/2003, 4:50pm PDT NEW
                    Pffft by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 6:02pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Pffft by mark 05/21/2003, 8:44pm PDT NEW
                            Ixnay by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 9:19pm PDT NEW
                                "his" not "he's". Going to bed now. NT by Senor Barborito 05/21/2003, 9:20pm PDT NEW
                                You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by Entropy Stew 05/22/2003, 2:58am PDT NEW
                                    Re: You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by mark 05/22/2003, 10:10am PDT NEW
                                        Re: You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by Entropy Stew 05/22/2003, 5:52pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 7:17pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: You just had to screw it up in the thread where you prove Monty wrong by Monty Cantsin 05/22/2003, 8:05pm PDT NEW
                                                    Um, no by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 8:26pm PDT NEW
                                    If I think you're already dead enough, will it happen? by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 1:33pm PDT NEW
                                        You're horribly, horribly confused on practically every level by Entropy Stew 05/22/2003, 5:31pm PDT NEW
                                            Your failure to even attempt being informed is making me hemorrhage. by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 8:23pm PDT NEW
                                                Just my artsy fartsy two cents... by Chairman Mao 05/22/2003, 8:55pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Just my artsy fartsy two cents... by mark 05/22/2003, 9:07pm PDT NEW
                                                        That is one of the funniest things I have ever seen... NT by Chairman Mao 05/22/2003, 9:12pm PDT NEW
                                                    Well, here's the problem by Senor Barborito 05/22/2003, 9:10pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Well, here's the problem by Chairman Mao 05/22/2003, 9:17pm PDT NEW
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        Re: ARE GAMES ART? Avault investigates. by Fussbett 05/21/2003, 6:37pm PDT NEW
 
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