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by Lizard_King 05/14/2003, 1:53am PDT |
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Lufteufel wrote:
Lizard_King wrote:
Stating something clearly perceived as a positive side effect as its primary focus is clearly deceptive. Especially when combined with your apparent confusion between Libertarian and Anarchist beliefs; not only do men like Posner regard a military as an essential and moral role of government, but they are often its staunchest proponents.
Really? All the so-called Libertarians I've known viewed professional standing armies as one of the greatest threats of statist encroachment. Were these people merely anarchist poseurs?
Yes. They were. Add to them the large segment of "Bill Maher Libertarians", aka leftists who embrace hedonism, and there are a lot of reasons why Libertarians are reviled as often as they are by all parts of the political spectrum. Part of the problem is that the classical liberal tradition that it represents has gone through so many evolutions, and in very different ways in Europe and America. The other problem is that Libertarians tend to side with the majority parties that most closely resemble their priorities (an American Libertarian who placed social liberty over economic might lean democratic simply as a result of the abortion question-which of course is far from settled within Libertarian thinking), which leaves the actual "Libertarian" party to be run by a fringe group that has no idea what they are doing (hence virtually orthodox Libertarian stances like drug legalization are lumped in with unrelated planks like Pacifism and radical Environmentalism).
However, no one from JS Mill to Bastiat to Hayek to Mises, to modern thinkers like Sowell and Walter Williams, opposes a standing army. Some might disagree with the size or design of said army in its current incarnation, but it is a standard tenet of Libertarian thought that national defense is a legitimate role of government. The most straightforward primer for Libertarian thought I can think of off the top of my head would be Ludwig von Mises' "Classical Liberalism", an argument for the ideology on the basis of utilitarianism and pragmatism, and possibly F.A. Hayek's excellent 'The Road To Serfdom', a historical explanation written in the wake of WWII. |
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For those of you that believe there are no more American intellectuals... by Lizard_King 05/10/2003, 2:41pm PDT 
Re: For those of you that believe there are no more American intellectuals... by Zebco Fuckface 05/10/2003, 4:58pm PDT
Re: For those of you that believe there are no more American intellectuals... by Lizard_King 05/11/2003, 11:39pm PDT
Re: For those of you that believe there are no more American intellectuals... by Chairman Mao 05/12/2003, 1:55am PDT
Re: For those of you that believe there are no more American intellectuals... by Lizard_King 05/12/2003, 5:04am PDT
Re: For those of you that believe there are no more American intellectuals... by Zebco Fuckface 05/12/2003, 5:16pm PDT
Now that's some happy horseshit. by Lizard_King 05/13/2003, 12:56am PDT
Re: Now that's some happy horseshit. by Zebco Fuckface 05/13/2003, 7:36pm PDT
Re: Now that's some happy horseshit. by Zebco Fuckface 05/13/2003, 7:39pm PDT
Re: Now that's some happy horseshit. by Lizard_King 05/14/2003, 1:32am PDT
Re: Now that's some happy horseshit. by Zebco Fuckface 05/14/2003, 2:16am PDT
Re: Now that's some happy horseshit. by Lufteufel 05/14/2003, 12:20am PDT
Re: Now that's some happy horseshit. by Lizard_King 05/14/2003, 1:53am PDT
Sorry to tell you this by Senor Barborito 05/10/2003, 5:53pm PDT
Is this the dumbest thing I've ever read? by Jhoh Creexul 05/10/2003, 6:19pm PDT
We're still resolving that, remember? And no, not that's not the problem by Senor Barborito 05/10/2003, 7:10pm PDT
Re: We're still resolving that, remember? And no, not that's not the problem by Jhoh Creexul 05/10/2003, 7:20pm PDT
Heh by Senor Barborito 05/10/2003, 7:54pm PDT
Well, what the fuck by Lizard_King 05/11/2003, 2:11am PDT
Heh by Senor Barborito 05/11/2003, 2:54am PDT
Delusion by Grandeur 05/10/2003, 8:46pm PDT
Re: We're still resolving that, remember? And no, not that's not the problem by ydrt 05/11/2003, 2:15am PDT
*shrug* by Senor Barborito 05/11/2003, 3:02am PDT
I lost people in Nam too. by disappointed and delusional 05/11/2003, 3:40am PDT
*wink, lick lips* by oranges 05/11/2003, 5:24am PDT
we apologize by ydrt 05/11/2003, 4:11pm PDT
Re: *shrug* by ydrt 05/11/2003, 3:58pm PDT
Good morning, ydrt, welcome to Caltrops by I need clarification 05/11/2003, 4:22pm PDT
Re: *shrug* by Senor Barborito 05/11/2003, 5:50pm PDT
Re: *shrug* by ydrt 05/11/2003, 7:49pm PDT
Hosting a website is the most dangerous of Xtreme sports. by Fussbett 05/11/2003, 2:51pm PDT
This should be added to the About page, or at least the Webmaster Bio page. NT by ydrt 05/11/2003, 4:08pm PDT
Re: We're still resolving that, remember? And no, not that's not the problem by Rightbug 05/11/2003, 3:10pm PDT
Exactly by Senor Barborito 05/11/2003, 4:10pm PDT
like I said... by Lizard_King 05/11/2003, 11:48pm PDT
In which Lizard_King discovers something about Caltrops... by I need clarification 05/12/2003, 12:10am PDT
Perhaps "surprise" was an inaccurate word choice. NT by Lizard_King 05/12/2003, 12:19am PDT
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