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Re: A disquieting development by Bill Dungsroman 03/14/2003, 11:49am PST
Ray, of Light wrote:

This:
The world's first brain prosthesis - an artificial hippocampus - is about to be tested in California. Unlike devices like cochlear implants, which merely stimulate brain activity, this silicon chip implant will perform the same processes as the damaged part of the brain it is replacing.


With the demise of communism and Seinfeld, there are few things left to terrify me, and this is one of them. People are talking about entire brains in silicon, and what that might mean, etc. etc., but that reality is decades away, at least. Even if or when, semiconductors of such density are devilishly expensive to produce, and vigorously wasteful in their use of energy.


Did you just actually say "People are talking about...?" People were talking several decades ago about living on Mars by the present day. The Moon, at least. This isn't a facetious comparison, either. More on that later.

Ray, of Light wrote:

No, it's another prospect that keeps me up at night. We can grow organs -- skin, at least -- in vats, today. We can synthesize most any hormone. We have an infrastructure that makes communication lightweight and inexpensive. We have the brain's I/O characteristics sussed, though the high-level protocol remains a (partial, unravelling) mystery.


I must inform you of something: the unravelling of higher brain function is, at this point, a Zeno's paradox. Halfway to halfway, ad infinitum. That doesn't mean it will be forever, but we aren't nearly as close as you'd like to think.

Ray, of Light wrote:

Now, imagine that someone grows a brain. He figures a way to simulate sensory input, Matrix-style, and gives the brain a faux-life based on, say, trading stocks. Or engineering, or telemarketing. He gives it limited access to the outside, and gets it generating income, and then he grows a thousand more. That man now has 1001 minds in his employ and a payroll of 300 calories per day, per head. Each has studied its trade since birth, and will never sue or strike or leave to compete with him.


By "he" I assume you mean "they," or else you may as well tell me that "he" will harness the 1.21 Gigawatts from a lightning bolt that will strike the clock tower to power his army of automatons. In the far future, okay, some company builds the hubots or romen or whatever. They lease them to Dean Whitter or NASA or the world's most succesful telemarketing firm ever (even though, it should still come with a protocol for what to do when the police raid). Unless the production company itself has dark ulterior motives (darker than the absurd revenue it would haul in in the first place; good luck on that account), nobody ain't takin' over nuthin' with them ROW-bots, no how. Never mind that, let's get back to cost. Will the point ever be reached where it is less expensive to purchase and maintain these androids than it is to purchase and maintain one supercomputer to handle all the heavy math and hire and maintain humans to do all the monkey work? Why aren't we living on the Moon? You know why. Is one supercomputer+1001 human workers really more expensive than 1001 androids that sell at millions per unit, plus maintenance (cheaper than health insurance, which you subtract from the human worker's paid wage anyway?).

Ray, of Light wrote:

Or, maybe it will begin as therapy for quads, freed from their vestigal bodies and attached to a box that lets them run and fuck again. It won't be long before someone -- I'm looking at you, Japan -- makes the leap voluntarily, because it's more fun or less expensive or more polite than existing as an "able".


You totally just switched gears here. Is it a body with an original mortal brain in it, or is it a de novo brain that only simulates a brain grown from the male sperm-fertilized egg of a female? Because the latter is somewhat unquieting, but ridiculously far off, while the former sounds great to me and Christopher Reeve. You should be more worried about all of us getting fitted for new bodies like buying a new car in the future as opposed to androids.

Ray, of Light wrote:

Either way, the result is a mass of "people" that consume next to nothing and compete with dominating efficiency. If agriculture is economic gunpowder, at-cost brains are the fucking atom bomb. There will be wars fought over this. I'm not sure who I want to win.


They did all their consuming pre-natal, if you will. What the fuck Ray, Super Androids of the Futurrre! won't be made of recycled paper and old tractor tires. The possibility of existence makes you shudder, the fucking price tag on those mothers makes me shudder. And your atom bomb metaphor was used in the '60's for space travel, 'member? And that war was cold, anyway.

BDR

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        This is like the ideal engraving for the Caltrops Coat of Arms.-NT- by SBDMT 03/13/2003, 12:18am PST NEW
        Butlerian Jihad! by Jaxx Mannix 03/14/2003, 1:03pm PST NEW
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    Re: A disquieting development by Chairman Mao 03/13/2003, 1:16am PST NEW
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            I remove costs using illegal migrant labor by Californication 03/13/2003, 8:42pm PST NEW
    We will have an AI capable of carrying out these tasks before this happens by Entropy Stew 03/13/2003, 2:08am PST NEW
        Re: We will have an AI capable of carrying out these tasks before this happens by Chairman Mao 03/13/2003, 2:13am PST NEW
        Remember, Windex injections kill the brain but leaves the body alive. by laudablepuss 03/13/2003, 5:54pm PST NEW
        Re: We will have an AI capable of carrying out these tasks before this happens by Ray, of Light 03/13/2003, 6:37pm PST NEW
            I hate discussions like these... by I need clarification 03/13/2003, 6:57pm PST NEW
                Re: I hate discussions like these... by Zseni 03/13/2003, 7:03pm PST NEW
                    I feel so much less disquieted now by I need clarification 03/13/2003, 7:43pm PST NEW
                and also these, and these, and those over there, and... by Ray, of Light 03/13/2003, 7:15pm PST NEW
                    We don't understand it, we will use it by I need clarification 03/13/2003, 7:54pm PST NEW
                        No one knows exactly how my meds work, but you can't argue with results :( NT by Jerry Whorebach 07/07/2007, 1:38am PDT NEW
                    Re: and also these, and these, and those over there, and... by mark 03/13/2003, 8:18pm PST NEW
    Re: on a similar vein by ydrt 03/13/2003, 3:05pm PST NEW
    Re: A disquieting development by I need clarification 03/13/2003, 6:19pm PST NEW
    Doesn't the Matrix already exist? by Mischief Maker 03/13/2003, 9:48pm PST NEW
        Re: Doesn't the Matrix already exist? by Zseni 03/13/2003, 9:56pm PST NEW
            Somebody's still pissed over her WAREZ privileges getting revoked by Mischief Maker 03/13/2003, 10:19pm PST NEW
                Someone is going to work his one joke into the fucking ground. by Zseni 03/13/2003, 10:43pm PST NEW
                    Re: Someone is going to work his one joke into the fucking ground. by Ray, of Light 03/13/2003, 11:54pm PST NEW
                        Ok that's it. by Chairman Mao 03/14/2003, 1:54am PST NEW
                            Okay, now I'm Barbie: THIS IS THE COOLEST THING EVAR!!!!! by laudablepuss 03/14/2003, 7:09pm PST NEW
                                Welcome to Milliways, drive on through to the second wind--ARGH OH MY GOD!! -nt- by ydrt 03/14/2003, 7:36pm PST NEW
                                Re: Okay, now I'm Barbie: THIS IS THE COOLEST THING EVAR!!!!! by Chairman Mao 03/14/2003, 7:49pm PST NEW
                                    Thread hijack: The birth of a Strange Star by laudablepuss 03/14/2003, 8:36pm PST NEW
                                        Re: Thread hijack: The birth of a Strange Star by Chairman Mao 03/14/2003, 8:54pm PST NEW
                                            Fixed quotes... by Chairman Mao 03/14/2003, 11:03pm PST NEW
                        Re: Someone is going to work his one joke into the fucking ground. by Zseni 03/14/2003, 5:20pm PST NEW
                            Re: Someone is going to work his one joke into the fucking ground. by Ray, of Light 03/14/2003, 8:12pm PST NEW
                                Re: Someone is going to work his one joke into the fucking ground. by Numbah Six 03/16/2003, 5:19pm PST NEW
                                    USA! USA! NT NT by Senor Barborito 03/16/2003, 5:34pm PST NEW
                    Re: Someone is going to work his one joke into the fucking ground. by junior allen 03/14/2003, 12:57pm PST NEW
                    Hee Hee by Mischief Shai-hulud 03/14/2003, 5:55pm PST NEW
                        Your fly is open, fag. by Zseni 03/15/2003, 1:41pm PST NEW
                        Update by I need clarification 03/16/2003, 2:50am PST NEW
                            Dur I done programmeded dat dere computar. NT by I did not insert text 03/16/2003, 2:55am PST NEW
                                It's called an -nt- tag, look into it by I need clarification 03/16/2003, 4:16pm PST NEW
                                    Boo hoo -NT- by Crying Fag 03/16/2003, 4:42pm PST NEW
                                    BUH?!?! by ATOR The Fighting Eagle 03/18/2003, 11:26pm PST NEW
                                        There, there... by I need clarification 03/19/2003, 2:56am PST NEW
    Re: A disquieting development by Bill Dungsroman 03/14/2003, 11:49am PST NEW
        Re: A disquieting development by Ray, of Light 03/15/2003, 12:46am PST NEW
        Bill gets fucked (I was right all along) by Ray of Light 12/13/2007, 11:07am PST NEW
            Haha that veronica thread is awesome. NT by Fussbett 12/13/2007, 1:00pm PST NEW
            Were they editing their posts or something? NT by laudablepuss 12/14/2007, 6:48pm PST NEW
                Oh, I see . . . she's just completely insane. NT by laudablepuss 12/14/2007, 6:49pm PST NEW
    ToutSuite's response by Fussbett 03/14/2003, 4:30pm PST NEW
        Or by Or-fag 03/14/2003, 5:13pm PST NEW
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