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Our existence laid bare by a newbie by Entropy Stew 02/15/2003, 11:22pm PST
Not a mote of sarcasm in the title there - all of this is dead-on.

up with pod people wrote:

FABIO wrote:

What new faces? I haven't seen anyone besides the OMM crowd.
I guess it's flattering to think I could be mistaken for an old face, though it's much more likely I just don't post enough to be noticed. At any rate, speaking as an "outsider," even though the atmosphere here is slightly less pointy than it was on OMM, there's the same whiff of clannishness. It's just not a welcoming environment.

What I don't get is why this is a problem. Nobody ever intended to lay out a "come one, come all" welcome mat, to act the part of the gracious host, to break newbies in slowly, to use lube before reaming, etc. So, things are working out exactly as you (the royal "you," the veterans, etc.) wanted. The core group is settling in to a new home, restocking the shark tank, building a foundation of violence and acrimony. The lurker population is growing slowly. The atmosphere encourages a long spell of watchfulness before diving in. Where's the problem?


Yeah, this seems to match up with how I became a part of the forums. I seem to remember lurking at OMM for a few months before posting, then gradually merging into the many over the course of several more months. Of course, I have shit for a long-term memory, so maybe I made a complete ass of myself and floundered about until I wasn't such a goddamn fruit, but I don't remember that happening.

Again, I'm an outsider looking in, and as far as I can see the only problem Caltrops has is overindulgent navel-gazing. If you spent half the time writing for the site that you do bitching about the lack of content, there'd be an update every second day. Stressing and hair-pulling about The Future of Caltrops is just sound and fury. Let it evolve organically -- the forums are the core of the site as they should be, and everything else is gravy.


Total agreement again.

As a supplemental note, I think the reason why there aren't as many submissions is because everyone is unsurprisingly wary of opening themselves to ridicule. Defensiveness was a big part of the culture of OMM, and suddenly turning it around to say "actually now we're all very interested in hearing about your ideas and reading your writing" is going to take some getting used to. Especially for us statusless noobs.


Its not nearly as bad as the forums, and nowhere near the level of OMM - Roop actually left because of the way the Purple Junta reacted after he went off on one of the reviews. I really liked that review, too. The content mailing list has actually been pretty inactive latly, even when people post articles or bounce around ideas. Perhaps we should move these sorts of discussion to the forums - they're much easier to follow that way.

I don't think it's even possible, much less proper, for Caltrops to be exactly like OMM - not the core group, ayways. Running this place requires patience and teamwork, which was anathema to OMM. We didn't have to worry about any of this over there, so we were free to lob flaming turds at one another without consequence. This is our Silver Age; there are now consequences.

-/ES/-
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