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The presence of violence is seen as concrete, discrimination is subjective. by serial malcontent 11/01/2014, 4:10pm PDT
I still think both sides are pretty stupid, but here: when someone gets physically assaulted and people find out about it, they tend to argue over who the assailant was. They don't argue about whether that black eye was really from falling on a doorknob.

When a woman, for instance, is held back in her career or held back from front line duty or given a job in a position a lot of men were shooting for and someone talks about inappropriate behavior, that's a lot less easy to nail to the wall.

Nobody's doing vaginal swabs of Zoe Quinn to collect concrete evidence and if it was ever on the table it wouldn't amount to as much as everything else. Instead, people are talking about did she and people around her do wrong and if so how much that weighs in at compared to death threats or whatever else. Can you imagine there being a group discussion anywhere near as big about whether the act of assault some kid perpetrated on another kid after playing pacman was worse than some teasing the kid endured? Even if the kid wrote a note about how pacman made him do it? It'd be open and shut that the problem was the act instead any of the circumstantial shit related to the case.

Much less so with whether Sally can't become a manager because of a glass ceiling or because someone at the office once said she might be bad with people, worse than other managers, especially when Sally's boss has been told by lawyers that he is never ever to release her annual performance reviews or how they compare to the rest of the management candidates so only subjective input drives the discussion. Do you think Kotaku is going to release the smoking gun that killed expectations of adult journalism into impartial custody? Why would they? It's not in their interest.


I still don't buy Last's runny bullshit arguments about causal chains because it starts from a viewpoint that reduces everything to mass culture instead of getting a grip on the behavior of individuals holistically: the only people whose behavior is centrally driven by things like videogames have nothing more significant in their lives. Pacman kid is only going to listen to the dark voice of the golden orb whispering for him to murder the bully if his family life is trash in the first place. Low self esteem girl is only going to hate herself and feel disrespected by Bayonetta if everything else already makes her vulnerable to thinking of herself as a sex object, whether she gets campy behavior or not. Everyone who has stabilizing factors will weather these assaults on rational behavior like a duck weathers water.

This means Anita and her ilk are trying to solve problems which stem from people being empty enough inside to pick up life tips from something no deeper than Vogue or GTA. They're windmill-tilters. They're not even worth getting annoyed by, because they definitely don't take money and effort away from the majority of people who were going to be useful in curing ebola or honestly try learning to be better parents.
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Answer the following for me and I'll shut up. by Souffle of Pain 10/30/2014, 8:48pm PDT NEW
    It shapes your attitudes by Vested Id 10/30/2014, 11:19pm PDT NEW
        Doesn't everything shape your attitudes? by Worm 10/31/2014, 6:18am PDT NEW
            Re: Doesn't everything shape your attitudes? by Roop 11/05/2014, 6:27pm PST NEW
        Re: It shapes your attitudes by Souffle of Pain 11/02/2014, 6:40am PST NEW
            Re: It shapes your attitudes by Vested Id 11/03/2014, 9:24pm PST NEW
            Re: It shapes your attitudes by Last 11/04/2014, 7:55am PST NEW
                That study stinks and I'm going to skullfuck your corpse! by Mischief Maker 11/04/2014, 10:17am PST NEW
                    Good points. NT by Last 11/04/2014, 10:45am PST NEW
                Re: It shapes your attitudes by Souffle of Pain 11/04/2014, 10:53am PST NEW
                    "The written word has zero influence." <-- Person arguing on internet forum. by Last 11/04/2014, 11:45am PST NEW
                        Re: "The written word has zero influence." <-- Person arguing on internet forum. by Souffle of Pain 11/04/2014, 11:54am PST NEW
                    I felt kinda bad about not responding to your question earlier but now I don't by Arbit 11/05/2014, 3:45pm PST NEW
                        Differences in degree are differences in kind by Mysterio 11/05/2014, 4:00pm PST NEW
                            Re: Differences in degree are differences in kind by Arbit 11/05/2014, 4:06pm PST NEW
                                Re: Differences in degree are differences in kind by Mysterio 11/05/2014, 4:23pm PST NEW
                                    This is like this, because that is like that. NT by Thich Nhat Hahn 11/05/2014, 5:11pm PST NEW
                                    Re: Differences in degree are differences in kind by Arbit 11/06/2014, 10:07am PST NEW
                                        "Media has an influence on how we think!!!" by Gutsby 11/06/2014, 12:17pm PST NEW
                                        Video games polluting my view of women have as much evidence as climate change. by Worm 11/06/2014, 1:46pm PST NEW
                        How do you feel about American Psycho? NT by WITTGENSTEIN 11/05/2014, 4:24pm PST NEW
                        Re: I felt kinda bad about not responding to your question earlier but now by Souffle of Pain 11/05/2014, 5:36pm PST NEW
                Thanks for the response NT by Vested Id 11/04/2014, 11:55am PST NEW
    I've never picked up a 1911, but I have a pretty good idea how to handle one. NT by This applies to broads as well. ^_^ 10/31/2014, 12:20am PDT NEW
        SOMEBODY REPORT THIS DEATH THREAT WHILE I GET MY CHECKBOOK! NT by TELL ME #GG ISNT ABOUT SEXISM!!! 10/31/2014, 12:53am PDT NEW
        Re: I've never picked up a 1911, but I have a pretty good idea how to by Souffle of Pain 11/02/2014, 6:41am PST NEW
    Re: Answer the following for me and I'll shut up. by Last 10/31/2014, 9:05am PDT NEW
        I think I'd be a more accepting if the targets of critiques were examples by Worm 10/31/2014, 10:31am PDT NEW
        Re: Answer the following for me and I'll shut up. by Souffle of Pain 11/02/2014, 6:43am PST NEW
    The presence of violence is seen as concrete, discrimination is subjective. by serial malcontent 11/01/2014, 4:10pm PDT NEW
        I agree with all of that except one thing by TELL ME #GG ISNT ABOUT SEXISM!!! 11/01/2014, 4:22pm PDT NEW
            Plus Bioware is still making games. That's worth at least getting annoyed over. NT by TELL ME #GG ISNT ABOUT SEXISM!!! 11/01/2014, 4:27pm PDT NEW
            lack of job security is a consequence of economics, not politics by serial malcontent 11/01/2014, 10:29pm PDT NEW
                Re: lack of job security is a consequence of economics, not politics by TELL ME #GG ISNT ABOUT SEXISM!!! 11/01/2014, 10:55pm PDT NEW
                    Re: lack of job security is a consequence of economics, not politics by serial malcontent 11/02/2014, 12:02am PDT NEW
 
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