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Souffle of Pain wrote:
In the late 90s we all agreed that violence in video game doesn't REALLY mess you up.
Someone explain to me how misogyny in games, though.... well that CAN mess you up.
You explain that to me successfully and I'll never think another bad thought against a Sarkeesian type.
Well, one difference is who the violence or sexism is directed against and who is playing the game. Zombies and Nazis and koopatroopers weren't playing games in the 90s, so they didn't see themselves being made to look like assholes.* But women are playing a lot of games these days and they can be affected by their portrayal.
MRA/GG'ers already understand that this concept because you see them complain about the "dumb dad" stereotype in commercials as being highly threatening and toxic, etc. Except, for every "dumb dad" on TV you can find five heroic, smart, competent men. Imagine how they'd feel if the ratio were reversed, like it arguably is for women in video games. For every Samus there's at least five dumb bitches/sex objects/helpless waifs.**
So, even if video games have no effect on the guys playing them (in terms of violence or sexism) I think you can agree that the sexism can have a negative effect on the girls playing them.
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* Yes, and a lot of (most of?) the victims of videogame violence are men. But guys also get to be the hero, the sidekick, the comic relief, the leader, and a bunch of other roles besides victim. Contrast with women, who are far more likely to only be shown as the jiggly piece of ass.
** Even the strong heroic versions of women in videogames are still sexualized with bikini armor, giant tits, etc. On a team of heroes it's usually clear that the girl is there partly to be eye candy. Unattractive chicks almost never make the team. Attractive girls are also more likely to be shown not pulling equal weight (needing to be rescued more often, making more mistakes). Guys in general, even ugly ones, are far more likely to be shown as valuable contributor to the team based on their own worth/skills/talent/etc.
*** A second difference between videogame effect on violence vs sexism is that there's way more steps required (aka points of failure) in the causal chain between 'playing a violent video game' to 'actually shooting real people' than there is between 'playing a sexist game' to 'having a slightly worse opinion of women', which would explain a weak correlation re: violence and a stronger correlation re: sexism. BUT! Even if you disagree with this point I think the above argument (negative effect on female players) still holds. |
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Answer the following for me and I'll shut up. by Souffle of Pain 10/30/2014, 8:48pm PDT 
It shapes your attitudes by Vested Id 10/30/2014, 11:19pm PDT
Doesn't everything shape your attitudes? by Worm 10/31/2014, 6:18am PDT
Re: Doesn't everything shape your attitudes? by Roop 11/05/2014, 6:27pm PST
Re: It shapes your attitudes by Souffle of Pain 11/02/2014, 6:40am PST
Re: It shapes your attitudes by Vested Id 11/03/2014, 9:24pm PST
Re: It shapes your attitudes by Last 11/04/2014, 7:55am PST
That study stinks and I'm going to skullfuck your corpse! by Mischief Maker 11/04/2014, 10:17am PST
Good points. NT by Last 11/04/2014, 10:45am PST
Re: It shapes your attitudes by Souffle of Pain 11/04/2014, 10:53am PST
"The written word has zero influence." <-- Person arguing on internet forum. by Last 11/04/2014, 11:45am PST
Re: "The written word has zero influence." <-- Person arguing on internet forum. by Souffle of Pain 11/04/2014, 11:54am PST
I felt kinda bad about not responding to your question earlier but now I don't by Arbit 11/05/2014, 3:45pm PST
Differences in degree are differences in kind by Mysterio 11/05/2014, 4:00pm PST
Re: Differences in degree are differences in kind by Arbit 11/05/2014, 4:06pm PST
Re: Differences in degree are differences in kind by Mysterio 11/05/2014, 4:23pm PST
This is like this, because that is like that. NT by Thich Nhat Hahn 11/05/2014, 5:11pm PST
Re: Differences in degree are differences in kind by Arbit 11/06/2014, 10:07am PST
"Media has an influence on how we think!!!" by Gutsby 11/06/2014, 12:17pm PST
Video games polluting my view of women have as much evidence as climate change. by Worm 11/06/2014, 1:46pm PST
How do you feel about American Psycho? NT by WITTGENSTEIN 11/05/2014, 4:24pm PST
Re: I felt kinda bad about not responding to your question earlier but now by Souffle of Pain 11/05/2014, 5:36pm PST
Thanks for the response NT by Vested Id 11/04/2014, 11:55am PST
I've never picked up a 1911, but I have a pretty good idea how to handle one. NT by This applies to broads as well. ^_^ 10/31/2014, 12:20am PDT
SOMEBODY REPORT THIS DEATH THREAT WHILE I GET MY CHECKBOOK! NT by TELL ME #GG ISNT ABOUT SEXISM!!! 10/31/2014, 12:53am PDT
Re: I've never picked up a 1911, but I have a pretty good idea how to by Souffle of Pain 11/02/2014, 6:41am PST
Re: Answer the following for me and I'll shut up. by Last 10/31/2014, 9:05am PDT
I think I'd be a more accepting if the targets of critiques were examples by Worm 10/31/2014, 10:31am PDT
Re: Answer the following for me and I'll shut up. by Souffle of Pain 11/02/2014, 6:43am PST
The presence of violence is seen as concrete, discrimination is subjective. by serial malcontent 11/01/2014, 4:10pm PDT
I agree with all of that except one thing by TELL ME #GG ISNT ABOUT SEXISM!!! 11/01/2014, 4:22pm PDT
Plus Bioware is still making games. That's worth at least getting annoyed over. NT by TELL ME #GG ISNT ABOUT SEXISM!!! 11/01/2014, 4:27pm PDT
lack of job security is a consequence of economics, not politics by serial malcontent 11/01/2014, 10:29pm PDT
Re: lack of job security is a consequence of economics, not politics by TELL ME #GG ISNT ABOUT SEXISM!!! 11/01/2014, 10:55pm PDT
Re: lack of job security is a consequence of economics, not politics by serial malcontent 11/02/2014, 12:02am PDT
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