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by Fussbett 03/24/2005, 12:15pm PST |
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The 20-week-old torrent is BT's weakness as a swarming protocol, and it's why eJackasses still exist, to fill that gap. The only way around old torrents is to have the thriving community where you can rely on communication and reseeds, as you mentioned. That's purely extracurricular icing on the cake and shouldn't be an expectation of BT. It's also only viable in the MP3 world, as in certain communities it's impractical to reseed old torrents, like in the case with 3 gig RARed ISOs or current TV shows. No one's keeping around RARs or episode 4 of Joey for archival purposes.
The longest-lasting torrents at ThePPN, kept seeded since their creation, were 4 GB of Ayumi Hamasaki mp3s split into subsections. When the tracker went down, they were over a year and a half old. Is that just mp3? Is it impractically large? Yes to both! Or this year-old torrent at Boxtorrents - Sailor Moon Classic in .rm format. If you're looking for impractically large, the 11 GB Gundam Wing one isn't much younger.
"The only way around old torrents is to have the thriving community" -- Fussbett. I don't think you'll ever appreciate that you hang out with crazy fanatics and your experiences are not even close to the rule.
I don't expect this sort of thing from every site, or every torrent, but I think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you say that torrent longevity shouldn't be a concern. I maintain that it's just good manners to seed to a 1:1 ratio and hit-and-runners are being rude and thoughtless.
You're invited to still have good manners in my BitTorrent utopia of no rules. You and the other obsessive compulsives can talk on the forums and keep old torrents alive for years. Go ahead, as my plan is all inclusive. However, manufacturing longevity leads to all the complaints in this entire thread, you fuming and storming off Oink forever, waiting periods, ratios, bannings, dickhead moderators and Empornium telling people not to seed. Making BT do what is unintended produces more headaches than it solves. This is my central argument.
I say you're being too permissive and short-sighted. "The maximum number of people" is a puzzling and contextless figure. Furthermore, the idea that routine leechers would then upload a redundant torrent and seed it is a little shaky. Your system of ethics here might work if it were shared by everyone, but it's not shared by everyone.
As you can see from my poker post, one thing I know is odds, and I enjoy playing them (the odds). "Maximum number of people" is the goal of a torrent site, is it not? The goal is to give each file to the largest number of people. That's the success condition. My way gets it done fast, ratios and gay sites stretch it out for a long time under the guise of being good for the community.
I know it's hard to put faith in leechers re-upping a requested torrent, but the theory is that by casting the widest net, you're bettering the odds of that file living on. With a large enough pool, anything is possible. It sounds crazy, but it happened on SuprNova all the time.
Sites discourage peers both through mandates and by accident. There was a site I registered for to get the Brown Bunny. It was a site specializing in art films and music. E-mail registration of course, lots to read, everything to slow me down -- including banning ports 6881-6889 (psh, common ports). Finally I got to the torrents and see 1 seed and 1 leecher on the 2-day-old Brown Bunny. Why doesn't the seed just e-mail the file instead?
HAHAHA YOU WANTED TO GET THE BROWN BUNNY.
Don't give me any shit about you getting it just for the porn.
You don't want to see the Brown Bunny? Why? A Vincent Gallo ode-to-self, derided as the worst movie ever, sparking a feud between Ebert and Gallo that gave Ebert cancer, re-edited to then get a thumbs-up from Ebert. That's interesting. Not as interesting as anime, I know, but still pretty interesting.
Anyway Brown Bunny sucks, art film trackers are purely gay, but just yesterday I jumped on a formerly dead torrent that someone wanted to reseed, one seed, one peer, I downloaded it at 100 k/s. Why am I supposed to complain about this? Thank you seed! Thank you peer! It was for a server you had to register for and one with delays on torrents for bad ratios. Yes, registrations are gay, but I do feel they engender community for many small trackers, and the community can then support old torrents like the one I grabbed.
Your anecdote and mine smash into each other in the super collider, and everyone is killed, nothing proven. |
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Wither BitTorrent? by Zseni 10/21/2004, 3:49am PDT 
I agree. by Fussbett 10/21/2004, 8:13am PDT 
Re: I agree. by Zseni 10/22/2004, 3:41am PDT 
No. by Fussbett 10/23/2004, 2:33pm PDT 
That is a totally awesome tracker. by Zseni 10/23/2004, 3:54pm PDT 
also: DC++ by FABIO 10/21/2004, 11:04am PDT 
Re: also: DC++ by Fullofkittens 10/21/2004, 12:58pm PDT 
Re: Wither BitTorrent? by Ray of Light 10/21/2004, 2:27pm PDT 
Yes, those bandwidth hogs are leeching my sweet ratios by sharing disproportiona by foolio 10/21/2004, 8:21pm PDT 
You can practice on foolio first, if you like NT by Ray of Light 10/21/2004, 8:57pm PDT 
eMule NT by old swede 10/21/2004, 2:31pm PDT 
Re: Wither BitTorrent? by jeep 10/23/2004, 5:50pm PDT 
Re: Wither BitTorrent? by Ice Cream Jonsey 10/23/2004, 6:04pm PDT 
As a pointless aside, Hotline was probably the nadir of file sharing by Rafiki 10/23/2004, 7:15pm PDT 
Welllllll leechers aren't always great. by Zseni 10/24/2004, 8:24am PDT 
Mythbuster by Fussbett 10/24/2004, 12:42pm PDT 
Re: Mythbuster by Zseni 10/24/2004, 2:26pm PDT 
Re: Mythbuster by Fussbett 10/25/2004, 11:51pm PDT 
Maybe you should try creating and uploading a torrent some time by Zseni 10/26/2004, 3:32am PDT 
You've only just now come to the realization that Fussbett's a dickhead? NT by Whiny Little Bitch Uploader 10/26/2004, 7:55am PDT 
Zing! NT by Creexul :( 10/26/2004, 3:38pm PDT 
I made a torrent once. by Fussbett 10/26/2004, 10:13am PDT 
I HAVE ALSO MADE A TORRENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Creexul :( 10/26/2004, 3:47pm PDT 
PS: the only exception to the rule. by Creexul :( 10/26/2004, 3:52pm PDT 
PPS: his name was MichaelMooreFan and he was a pablum puking liberal. NT by Creexul :( 10/26/2004, 3:54pm PDT 
Re: Wither BitTorrent? by Debaser 10/24/2004, 1:50am PDT 
10/24: Lurker Community Finally Run Out of Real People to Poorly Impersonate by Debaser 10/24/2004, 1:58am PDT 
Re: 10/24: Lurker Community Finally Run Out of Real People to Poorly Impersonate by Zseni 10/24/2004, 2:01am PDT 
Seems to suggest though, that many a mysterio, is spanky. NT by Hysterio 10/24/2004, 10:05am PDT 
nf NT by Mysterio 10/24/2004, 3:10pm PDT 
Remember this thread? I'm baffled again. by Fussbett 03/23/2005, 9:41am PST 
I was so angry, I made a mistake. by Fussbett 03/23/2005, 10:48am PST 
what good torrent sites are there left? NT by Casual observer 03/23/2005, 11:03am PST 
I, too, desire the answer to that question. NT by bink 03/23/2005, 12:03pm PST 
www.torrentspy.com by FABIO 03/23/2005, 12:54pm PST 
Re: I, too, desire the answer to that question. by William H. Hayt, Jr. 03/23/2005, 12:56pm PST 
Thanks to the both of you. NT by bink 03/23/2005, 6:46pm PST 
Re: I was so angry, I made a mistake. by Zseni: Warrior-Poet 03/24/2005, 4:49am PST 
More thoughts on BitTorrent by Fussbett 03/24/2005, 8:48am PST 
Re: More thoughts on BitTorrent by Zseni: Warrior-Poet 03/24/2005, 11:20am PST 
"Hey, can someone re-up the Ayumi Hamasaki? Thanks." by Fussbett 03/24/2005, 12:15pm PST 
There are about 90 seconds of worthwhile material in the Brown Bunny. by bink 03/24/2005, 9:16pm PST 
I was hoping bink would weigh in on this. by Fussbett 03/25/2005, 1:56am PST 
Bad movies are bad. No matter how pretentious. NT by bink 03/25/2005, 11:34am PST 
And I should just take your word for it. Instead of seeing it. For free. NT by Fussbett 03/25/2005, 12:46pm PST 
Jesus fuck I'm outta here NT by binkbot 03/25/2005, 1:11pm PST 
A similar trend exists for posters on caltrops. by Bill Dungsroman 03/25/2005, 2:44pm PST 
In other news... by Chairman Mao 03/23/2005, 12:59pm PST 
Re: In other news... by Ray of Light 03/23/2005, 1:06pm PST 
Re: In other news... by Worm 03/23/2005, 1:34pm PST 
Re: In other news... by Mysterio Old School 03/23/2005, 1:50pm PST 
Re: In other news... by Worm 03/23/2005, 6:09pm PST 
In Short: He's a coward. To elaborate: He's a fucking coward. NT by bink 03/23/2005, 7:01pm PST 
Re: In other news... by Mysterio Explainer Guy 03/23/2005, 11:14pm PST 
Small fry? Oh how superior of you! Here's a tip guy: get out more. NT by bink 03/23/2005, 11:58pm PST 
Here's you: totally ruining colons. by Fussbett 03/24/2005, 12:22am PST 
Re: In other news... by Mysterio OMFG COWARDLY ATOR 03/23/2005, 11:42pm PST 
Re: In other news... by Worm 03/23/2005, 11:51pm PST 
Just quit responding to this guy. NT by bink 03/24/2005, 12:01am PST 
Oh, thanks for the advice. by Worm 03/24/2005, 12:21am PST 
Worm feels trolled, bink offers expert advice. by Mysterio OMFG COWARDLY ATOR 03/24/2005, 12:53am PST 
Yeah, this is so great. NT by Worm 03/24/2005, 1:06am PST 
Re: Oh, thanks for the advice. by Mysterio Explainer Guy 03/24/2005, 5:43am PST 
Oh, and when that 'making fun of' looks like a mad fit, I'm being trolled right? NT by Worm 03/24/2005, 9:10am PST 
There was no mad fit, your read point #2 wrong. Retard. NT by Mysterio 03/24/2005, 10:09am PST 
I'm not talking about point 2. NT by Worm 03/24/2005, 12:11pm PST 
NT? by Quentin Beck 03/24/2005, 1:10pm PST 
Any post that insults you is a troll, doubly so if it's a Mysterio. No reply. NT by bink 03/24/2005, 12:00pm PST 
Worm's kind of owning you in this thread, mysterio explainer guy. :( by I need clarification 03/24/2005, 9:15am PST 
Re: Worm's kind of owning you in this thread, mysterio explainer guy. :( by Casual observer 03/24/2005, 10:05am PST 
Oh, no wonder. NT by I need clarification 03/24/2005, 12:14pm PST 
Casual Obeserver is worried about brand dilution. What is funnier? NT by Fussbett 03/24/2005, 12:17pm PST 
The best part is that it probably wasn't the real Casual Observer by Voyons Donc 03/24/2005, 1:13pm PST 
So the funniest CO post ever isn't by CO. Figures. NT by Fussbett 03/24/2005, 1:44pm PST 
bink giving Worm advice on how to deal with "trolls"? Twice? NT by Entropy Stew 03/25/2005, 1:00pm PST 
It's like watching 2 retards try to make a spaceship out of their own drool. NT by Bill Dungsroman 03/25/2005, 2:46pm PST 
Pero que carajos! I'm being ATORed more than SB in his +/- switching days! NT by Casual observer 03/24/2005, 12:34pm PST 
Re: Pero que carajos! I'm being ATORed more than SB in his +/- switching days! by Souffle of Pain 03/24/2005, 6:07pm PST 
New Low for a BitTorrent Community by Fussbett 12/03/2005, 12:15pm PST 
Oink continues to wage war on users, functionality. by Fussbett 12/11/2005, 8:51pm PST 
Re: Oink continues to wage war on users, functionality. by corax 12/11/2005, 9:45pm PST 
How can one tell which ports the VoIP uses? NT by Mysterio 12/12/2005, 2:24am PST 
Every ISP is probably different... by Fussbett 12/12/2005, 11:54pm PST 
Not mentioned on the front page... by Pompei 12/16/2005, 10:10am PST 
DISCLAIMERS by Fussbett 01/31/2006, 1:11pm PST 
vertigo173 by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/31/2006, 8:37pm PST 
Pleas by Fussbett 10/12/2006, 3:39pm PDT 
How...? NT by Liz Enkittengasm 10/12/2006, 5:05pm PDT 
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