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Re: You've just been starved for Catwoman by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 09/03/2012, 8:19am PDT
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:

I think the Eddie Murphy bit is a warning in the shape of a metaphor towards black men against marrying white women. I mean, he could have picked any food there.


Certainly a metaphor Raffaello Follieri would have benefitted from knowing.

The reason why Anne Hathaway was the best Catwoman was because she wasn't trying to be a cat. I think it's lame that nobody called her "Catwoman," sure. It's like those zombie movies that go out of their way to awkwardly not say the word "zombie." The directory thinks he is better than the source material and I hate that. This movie is fine taking the goodwill of 80 years of Catwoman stories but OH GOD we couldn't possibly say her name. That being said, I can't take either of the other two actresses you posted seriously because they are saying "meow" and drinking milk. So maybe I can't take their directors, it's not like either of the gals wrote that shit. (And Tim Burton is a terrible director, so let's go with that theory.)


2 things:

1. I've always considered the Burton Batman to take place in the same continuity as his other early films. If Insane Batman went for an cross-country drive, he'd pass Pee Wee on his bike, Beetlejuice's loft, and Edward Scissorhands' castle. "Serious" and "Realistic" are two different terms.

2. I've always been a secondhand consumer of superheroes, so maybe my view is warped, but to me, the best way to take a dude who dresses in a fetishistic costume spending his evening punching criminals seriously is to set him in an outsized and over-the-top world that fits his personality. In fact, I'd say Tim Burton was laughing at the very idea of trying to shoehorn such characters into a realistic setting at the end of Pee Wee's Big Adventure where we're re-watching the movie at the drive through after being run through the studio system, with James Brolin playing Pee Wee in the "realistic" version:



I don't know how anyone can quantify sexy, and it is further complicated by the fact that I think that Anne Hathaway is the most beautiful woman in the world, except for my girlfriend, that female fortune teller machine and my own mother. A lot of people don't know that's a valid ranking process: ignore those people. However, the best thing I've seen in any Batman movie was when Hathaway went from maid to super villain thief in about two seconds. I know she wasn't really a maid, but if I distort that and blur that line you will realize there is no reasoning with me.


We may not disagree at all, we may just be using different definitions of "sexy." Lord knows Anne Hathaway is the prettiest actress in the Nolan trilogy, (save for evil ethnic woman, who was both prettier and sexier), and I'd agree that she's prettier than Michelle Pfeiffer, (but not Eartha Kitt). I'm defining sexy in terms of her performance and her chemistry with Batman and in both of those she's a flop.

Furthermore, even if she's a "realistic" Catwoman who doesn't say "meow" or drink milk, she still clearly written as an over-the-top sexy performance. If Michelle Pfeiffer had a scene where she was menacing a man by holding a sharpened stiletto heel to his neck from a standing position, defenders would be describing that scene as "steamy," not "badass." I could totally buy Eartha Kitt as a "realistic" Catwoman banking on her ability to pluck a VIP out of a crowd and not just seduce him for one night, but keep him hanging for weeks as her sex-slave/hostage. Hathaway's performance didn't sell either of these scenes.

She was an attractively-shaped plank of plywood opposite the gravelly-voiced plank of plywood in the lead role. I'd even go so far as to say Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen had more on-screen chemistry than Hathaway and Bale.
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The Dark Knight Rises (to preemptively claim the Porn Name) by Mischief Maker 07/20/2012, 5:44pm PDT NEW
    So it's fair to say, NT by you weren't BLOWN AWAY by it? 07/20/2012, 6:16pm PDT NEW
        deadmau5 really doesn't appreciate this sort of humor by Worm 07/21/2012, 10:33am PDT NEW
            Is his name a humorous riff on "Holocaust Maus?" NT by Mischief Maker 07/21/2012, 10:45am PDT NEW
    It doesn't help that Bale is a fucking horrible Batman, and that his suit looks by Eurotrash 07/20/2012, 9:18pm PDT NEW
        His main contribution is changing Bruce Wayne from Hugh Hefner to Paris Hilton. NT by Mischief Maker 07/21/2012, 8:37am PDT NEW
        Actually I'll disagree with you slightly by Mischief Maker 07/25/2012, 5:12am PDT NEW
    So it all depends on how much of an Alex Jones fascist you are? by fabio 07/20/2012, 10:51pm PDT NEW
    The Dark Knight is Risible by Vested Id 07/21/2012, 4:21pm PDT NEW
        Oh there's more than that. *spoilerz* by Mischief Maker 07/21/2012, 5:02pm PDT NEW
            A couple more I missed. by Mischief Maker 07/22/2012, 5:47am PDT NEW
                Re: A couple more I missed. by Vested Id 07/22/2012, 10:55pm PDT NEW
                Re: A couple more I missed. by Vested Id 07/24/2012, 12:04am PDT NEW
            X-men's gay agenda! I've cracked the cooooode! by Mischief Theorist 07/24/2012, 9:51am PDT NEW
                Meanwhile, 300 is about the righteous struggle of Ex-Gays to stay in the closet. NT by Mischief Maker 07/24/2012, 12:06pm PDT NEW
    Bootleg video of TDKR's ending by Mischief Maker 07/23/2012, 7:26am PDT NEW
    Re: The Dark Knight Rises (to preemptively claim the Porn Name) by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/02/2012, 11:57am PDT NEW
        You've just been starved for Catwoman by MM 09/02/2012, 7:15pm PDT NEW
            Re: You've just been starved for Catwoman by Vested Id 09/02/2012, 8:06pm PDT NEW
                Who said anything about complexity? by MM 09/02/2012, 10:08pm PDT NEW
                    Agreed re: insane Batman. Bring that guy back! NT by laudablepuss 09/03/2012, 1:23am PDT NEW
                This level of dislike is totally disproportionate to the movie. by laudablepuss 09/03/2012, 1:21am PDT NEW
                    Re: This level of dislike is totally disproportionate to the movie. by Mysterioso 09/06/2012, 12:51pm PDT NEW
            Re: You've just been starved for Catwoman by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/02/2012, 11:14pm PDT NEW
                Hold on, I don't care if Burton raped your mom and unplugged your fortune teller by he still made Ed Wood. 09/03/2012, 1:26am PDT NEW
                    Yeah, other than the inexplicable omission of poo mortars in POTA he's pretty go NT by laudablepuss 09/03/2012, 1:26am PDT NEW
                        (I can't seem to locate the awesome post I stole that joke from.) by laudablepuss 09/03/2012, 1:30am PDT NEW
                    Hold on, I don't care if Burton raped your mom and unplugged your fortune teller by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/03/2012, 3:19pm PDT NEW
                        For discussion: what percent of the "Burton aesthetic" is Danny Elfman? by Fullofkittens 09/03/2012, 4:52pm PDT NEW
                            Counterargument: John Williams couldn't save the Star Wars prequels. NT by Mischief Maker 09/03/2012, 5:34pm PDT NEW
                                Williams wasn't the only guy who didn't turn in his best work for the prequels. by Fullofkittens 09/03/2012, 6:55pm PDT NEW
                                    You misunderstand. I consider his score the only good thing about the prequels. NT by But it still wasn't enough. 09/03/2012, 7:11pm PDT NEW
                            Given that his best movie was scored by Cronenberg's guy, I'm going to say... NT by 0%? 09/03/2012, 8:31pm PDT NEW
                Re: You've just been starved for Catwoman by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 09/03/2012, 8:19am PDT NEW
                    Whoops. NT by Ator Maker 09/03/2012, 8:24am PDT NEW
                    For some of the above post to make sense you have to pretend Pee Wee's Big Adven NT by was a small indie film, not a Warne 09/03/2012, 10:39am PDT NEW
 
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