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Re: Your socratic method sucks. by FABIO 12/30/2008, 4:07pm PST
You're getting your ass kicked by quests I solved almost accidentally while enjoying the strengths of the game, mostly based around using an interesting tool set and environment to fuck with a shooting gallery of enemies.


Thanks, jhoh =(


Lizard_King wrote:

Bioshock has problems, sure, but not any you've successfully identified.


How's this:

The whole "cartoony 50s fascism contrasting with game's setting" worked in Fallout because it was just a backdrop while the actual setting developed.

In Bioshock, it's the entire game. Nothing else happens. Nothing progresses. There is no advancing plot. Nothing but characters telling you that gee maybe unrestrained capitalism wasn't such a good idea over and over and over again. Such a paradise was ironically brought down by drug smugglers, yes I get it.

Objectives suffer from the same thing as System Shock 2: you're condemned the entire game to just meander around fixing broken systems until the game decides it's time you met the last boss. Every time you get anything remotely meaningful ("meet this dude"), the game shoves you 2 steps back every step of the way (another collapsed door!). At least in SS2 you had the audio logs to give you a progressing narrative. I guess if you wanted you could go back and piece together Bioshock's jumbled timeline, but who really cares at that point.

There just isn't anything there to keep me interested while I scour several levels for 10 vials of distilled water. I didn't touch the game for a month; whenever I considered firing it up again I remembered that it had me collecting bottled water.
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Have we done a Most Dissapointing Game of 2008 thread yet? by Entropy Stew 12/21/2008, 1:26pm PST NEW
    I guess this is based on games we anticipated? by Weyoun Voidbringer 12/21/2008, 2:21pm PST NEW
    Spore :( NT by E. L. Koba 12/21/2008, 5:30pm PST NEW
        Re: Spore :( NT by Fortinbras 12/21/2008, 5:41pm PST NEW
        Yeah right like anyone was expecting that to be even playable. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 12/21/2008, 6:51pm PST NEW
    Tom Chick's 2007's Mass Effect by FABIO 12/21/2008, 6:47pm PST NEW
        I just played it this year so Bioshock counts by FABIO 12/21/2008, 7:11pm PST NEW
            I realize you're excited about this line of commentary by Lizard_King 12/29/2008, 10:03pm PST NEW
                I'm not sure I can help you then by FABIO 12/30/2008, 1:11am PST NEW
                    Your socratic method sucks. by Lizard_King 12/30/2008, 6:01am PST NEW
                        I always found it ironic that Law School is taught using the Socratic method. by Mischief Maker 12/30/2008, 8:15am PST NEW
                        Re: Your socratic method sucks. by FABIO 12/30/2008, 4:07pm PST NEW
                            YOU'RE WELCOME HEY WAIT A SECOND NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 12/30/2008, 4:18pm PST NEW
                            Re: Your socratic method sucks. by Lizard_King 12/30/2008, 7:16pm PST NEW
                                Re: Your socratic method sucks. by FABIO 12/30/2008, 9:19pm PST NEW
                                    We all lost on that gamble. by Lizard_King 01/01/2009, 11:08am PST NEW
                                        No More Heroes is the only thing that justified a Wii for me NT by Fortinbras 01/01/2009, 11:21am PST NEW
                                            (RESIDENT FUCKING EVIL 4) by Weyoun Voidbringer 01/01/2009, 11:43am PST NEW
                                                Buying ports of games I've already played sure is a compelling reason! NT by Fortinbras 01/01/2009, 12:49pm PST NEW
                                                    Buying a shitty original title is much better by Lizard_King 01/06/2009, 11:26pm PST NEW
                                                        Did you lose one of your arms in Iraq or something? by Fortinbras 01/07/2009, 12:00am PST NEW
                                                            I didn't know any Wii games cost $60. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 01/07/2009, 12:37am PST NEW
                                                            Well by that logic the number of push-pull spinners you should own is... zero? NT by That can't be right. 01/07/2009, 1:05am PST NEW
                                                                How the hell could you mix up Fortinbras with ICJ??? NT by Mischief Maker 01/07/2009, 6:11am PST NEW
                                                                    I have an IQ of... eighteen? NT by That can't be right. 01/07/2009, 8:04am PST NEW
                                                                        Another perfect IQ roll! NT by FoK's elementary school pal 01/07/2009, 10:41am PST NEW
                                                            RE4 is like 20 bucks new on Amazon. NT by Worm 01/07/2009, 6:44am PST NEW
                                                            I bought it for 30$ brand new when I first got my Wii by Lizard_King 01/07/2009, 8:20am PST NEW
                                                                Super Swing Golf / SSG2 is my killer wii app. by Zsenitan 01/07/2009, 10:59am PST NEW
                                            The thing that will justify a wii for me (if I get one) by Fullofkittens 01/01/2009, 12:30pm PST NEW
    Saint's Row 2 by Worm 12/21/2008, 6:59pm PST NEW
    wow: wrath of the watlick by Weyoun Voidbringer 12/22/2008, 8:29am PST NEW
    Conan by bombMexico 12/27/2008, 10:12pm PST NEW
    Gravitron X by Mischief Maker 12/29/2008, 4:30am PST NEW
        Re: Gravitron X by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/29/2008, 8:35pm PST NEW
    The Witcher by Cannibal Dave 12/30/2008, 12:44am PST NEW
        I just picked this up right before seeing this post. by Worm 12/30/2008, 8:01am PST NEW
            Re: I just picked this up right before seeing this post. by Cannibal Dave 12/30/2008, 12:43pm PST NEW
                Nah I just warezed the original one and sent CD Projekt an invoice for my time NT by Worm 12/30/2008, 8:30pm PST NEW
            I enjoyed this game (EE). It was flawed but fun for a little while. NT by ruggles 01/07/2009, 8:46am PST NEW
 
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