Forum Overview :: Dr. Dan Buroker, M.D.'s Team Fortress 2
 
Re: Obligatory Monty link by Lizard_King 09/20/2007, 11:44am PDT
I didn't say RTS was trivial as far as game genres go, and far be it for me to contend that the Korean stereotype gamer is unskilled. I doubt I could be that good or anywhere near it even if I was inclined to spend that much time playing Starcraft. That is not my point.

My point, which I thought was pretty obvious, is that there is a point past which many perfectly normal, competent gamers simply lose interest in competing. With Korean dominance of Starcraft as a shining example of the high end and obnoxious 12 year olds who memorize every multiplayer level in Halo as the low end, even people with few Real Life reasons not to game as often as they like feel diminishing returns when playing a video game turns into the equivalent of a varsity level sport, with all of the baggage that comes with that.

Monty wrote:

Any game played at a high enough level is going to be boring to a patzer, which is what these whining douchebags are. Boo hoo! He beat me by hitting the ball to a place I can't reach over and over again. How is that fun? Maybe if you could figure out how to return a fucking serve the game wouldn't appear to be so "broken". Hitting the ball hard isn't the point of tennis, it's the point at which tennis begins. If you're playing someone who can hit hard then being able to hit hard is the entry fee you have to muster before the actual game, the deep game, the interesting high-level game even starts.


That's interesting that Monty also used a tennis analogy. I just had it on my mind thanks to Virtua Tennis 3 and the mothafucking drop shots in that game. Either way, I think you have me confused with someone who argued that the games were "broken" as a result of being dominated by high level players. That is not what is implied by the PA post, either. It's just that the game is more fun for those of us only marginally interested in paying the entry fee before it is raised to astronomical levels by true believers. I don't want to memorize levels, spawn points, or exact weapon physics and tactics. I started down that path in CS, realized I was having proportionately little fun in return for the investment, and eventually moved on to other games.

Uninterestingly enough, I have little problem sinking time into demanding single player games. I don't think it has to do with raw measures of competence, but then there's very few straightforward "skill test" games that I enjoy, apart from maybe Guitar Hero and Ouendan.
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paney arcraed's reaction to Team Fortress 2. by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/18/2007, 2:31pm PDT NEW
    Oh wait, they actually did post about it. by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/19/2007, 4:55pm PDT NEW
        So is he saying that he only likes games until people are good at them? NT by Zseni 09/19/2007, 5:26pm PDT NEW
            You like them better once X game's version of bunny hopping kicks in? by Lizard_King 09/20/2007, 6:22am PDT NEW
                Re: You like them better once X game's version of bunny hopping kicks in? by Zseni 09/20/2007, 6:54am PDT NEW
                    I'm not sure playing a video game and becoming a monk are analogous. by Lizard_King 09/20/2007, 7:44am PDT NEW
                        Obligatory Monty link by Entropy Stew 09/20/2007, 10:35am PDT NEW
                            Re: Obligatory Monty link by Lizard_King 09/20/2007, 11:44am PDT NEW
                                Lizard_King, you've already won this argument. You don't have to keep respond NT by Last 09/20/2007, 12:20pm PDT NEW
                                    Put LK and MC into a particle accelerator and you'll get something interesting NT by Entropy Stew 09/20/2007, 12:35pm PDT NEW
                                So, games are more fun when played with opponents of similar skill-levels? by Jerry Whorebach 09/20/2007, 2:09pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: So, games are more fun when played with opponents of similar skill-levels? by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/20/2007, 2:19pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: So, games are more fun when played with opponents of similar skill-levels? by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/20/2007, 2:40pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: So, games are more fun when played with opponents of similar skill-levels? by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/20/2007, 2:56pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: So, games are more fun when played with opponents of similar skill-levels? by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/20/2007, 5:51pm PDT NEW
                                    Yeah. by Lizard_King 09/20/2007, 8:14pm PDT NEW
                                        Heaven forbid either of us has to admit to sucking at video games :( NT by Jerry Whorebach 09/20/2007, 9:18pm PDT NEW
                                            Good thing I'm awesome at video games so I don't have to. NT by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/20/2007, 9:19pm PDT NEW
                                Re: Obligatory Monty link by Zseni 09/20/2007, 9:07pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: Obligatory Monty link by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/20/2007, 9:18pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Obligatory Monty link by Zseni 09/20/2007, 9:51pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: Obligatory Monty link by Kered "Hooftothehead" G'slorp'durrr 09/21/2007, 12:00am PDT NEW
                                    Re: Obligatory Monty link by Bananadine 09/21/2007, 3:06am PDT NEW
 
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