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Hmm 2 by Senor Barborito 07/02/2003, 12:28am PDT
Think I'll have to post my ethics system thanks to this conversation - it'll be up in rants in the next day or two. I'm almost a completely amoral person - I believe that there are direct ethical imperatives against murder, rape, capitalism, and unwarranted physical assault that can be logically reasoned out from Decartes' 'cogito, ergo sum.' To be honest I'm pretty much completely amoral as regards absolutely everything else (if you want to smoke crack or fuck sheep, I have no problem with it until better methods of determining sentience than the mirror test are devised). Even worse, provided the implementation is absolute (a completely open society in which all locations have multiple cameras with microphones), I'd have no problem with rolling up the concept of privacy and tossing it out the window. However I have tremendous misgivings about any 'partial' privacy implementation.

Also reread my first statement in a less antagonistic voice - I wasn't putting any words in your mouth, but rather leaving you free to pursue any and all options along that line if you so chose. Or at least, I was trying to - the Mirror test is fuzzy at best (I actually got a chance to speak with the professor who invented it about 4 years back), so it's hard for me to hold an opinion about bestiality and zooarests with any vindiction. The best I can offer is that I believe in a 'tiered' system which basically states that animals should not be killed wantonly, while orangutans, chimps and humans of two years of age and under should not be killed or even suffer if it can reasonably be helped, and older humans should not die if anything at all can be done to preserve their sentience (exception: desire for self-termination).

There's reasons for all of the above, but it's too complicated to get into tonight. More later.

--SB
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    On second thought... by Lizard_King 06/27/2003, 12:08pm PDT NEW
        Yeah! Why haven't the dog-fuckers been more vocal about this?! by I need clarification 06/27/2003, 1:54pm PDT NEW
            Re: Yeah! Why haven't the dog-fuckers been more vocal about this?! by laudablepuss 06/27/2003, 2:53pm PDT NEW
                Have you ever comprehended anything, ever? In your entire life? by I need clarification 06/27/2003, 4:35pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Have you ever comprehended anything, ever? In your entire life? by laudablepuss 06/27/2003, 5:05pm PDT NEW
                        People! Stay focused! by Fullofkittens 06/27/2003, 5:12pm PDT NEW
                            It is you that are missing the point. by Lizard_King 06/29/2003, 9:30pm PDT NEW
                                Hmm by Senor Barborito 06/30/2003, 3:18am PDT NEW
                                    Re: Hmm by FoK 06/30/2003, 8:54am PDT NEW
                                        Re: Hmm by Chairman Mao 06/30/2003, 12:46pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Hmm by Chairman Mao 06/30/2003, 12:54pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: Hmm by Lizard_King 07/01/2003, 5:40am PDT NEW
                                        Re: Hmm by Senor Barborito 07/01/2003, 6:17am PDT NEW
                                            Re: Hmm by Lizard_King 07/01/2003, 9:48pm PDT NEW
                                                Hmm 2 by Senor Barborito 07/02/2003, 12:28am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Hmm 2 by I need clarification 07/02/2003, 1:09am PDT NEW
                                                        I'll cherish this moment forever -NT- by Lizard_King 07/02/2003, 11:26pm PDT NEW
                                        Are you being purposely obtuse, or did you get dumber over the weekend? by I need clarification 07/01/2003, 3:45pm PDT NEW
                                            Ur the gayest! Surprise! by Lizard_King 07/01/2003, 6:42pm PDT NEW
                                                Ding ding! 500TH use of of the phrase 'straw man'! Your Limbaugh is showing. by I need clarification 07/01/2003, 11:13pm PDT NEW
                                                    As criminal as being gay? ROFLOFLOFL by Lizard_King 07/02/2003, 11:25pm PDT NEW
                                                        I wish your surrenders were as graceful as mine :( NT by I need clarification 07/04/2003, 4:31pm PDT NEW
                                                            You mean the ones where you just suddenly stop posting in a thread? NT by Entropy Stew 07/04/2003, 5:14pm PDT NEW
                                                                Yes. Like that. Do that. Get it? NT by I need clarification 07/04/2003, 10:20pm PDT NEW
                                                                    YES. YES I GET IT. OMFG I AM SO POWERFULLY BURNED. NT by Lizard_King 07/06/2003, 9:04pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Your best post yet. I'm almost a conservative after reading that. NT by I need clarification 07/07/2003, 4:03am PDT NEW
                                                                            You guys should IM each other. NT by foogla 07/07/2003, 6:33am PDT NEW
                                                                                We aren't? NT by I need clarification 07/07/2003, 1:36pm PDT NEW
            Thanks for filling in the requisite liberal histrionics. NT by Lizard_King 06/29/2003, 9:31pm PDT NEW
                I barely remember this thread, Groo by I need clarification 06/30/2003, 5:04pm PDT NEW
                    That's the most graceful surrender I've seen on your part yet. by Lizard_King 07/01/2003, 5:41am PDT NEW
                        Almost as good as the Supremes last week OHHHHHHH!! NT by I need clarification 07/01/2003, 2:22pm PDT NEW
                            Did you raise the roof while typing that? NT by Lizard_King 07/01/2003, 9:49pm PDT NEW
                                Three snaps, actually. NT by I need clarification 07/02/2003, 1:22am PDT NEW
                                Raise the Roof! Raise it! NT by Principal Scudworth 07/02/2003, 1:38pm PDT NEW
        Would you rather fuck a cow or fuck a chicken? NT by whydirt, caltrops braintrust 06/27/2003, 2:51pm PDT NEW
            Wasn't there a shitty cartoon about that? NT by Damocles 06/30/2003, 2:41am PDT NEW
                Mr. Magoo? -nt- by Entropy Stew 06/30/2003, 6:32am PDT NEW
 
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