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Starcraft II: Heart Of The Swarm
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by blackwater 11/23/2014, 9:37pm PST |
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In the SC2 I remember, Protoss was pretty helpless early on. Zerg had Queens, a pretty beefy unit against any early ground (or even air), and Terran had bunkers, the ability to repair shit and wall in, and even the ability to fly away bases if things went bad.
Protoss had... zealots which could run around comically chasing (but never actually catching) an intruder like a reaper, or zerglings, or really any ranged unit... Canons which were too expensive to build early on unless you were a total newbie. Things got a little better for Protoss once you got gas production going plus the cybernetics core (two things you did NOT need for queens or marines)... then you could get out the first stalker and at least have a chance against ranged units. If you were very good at micro, you could go for some sentries and hope that you could block somebody for a while with a force field. But that was about it.
Does Protoss have more mid-game options than the other races? I really don't think so. The main ones I remember are 4-gate (lots of gateway units), going for robo, and going for air. Going straight for dark templars is an amusing cheese strategy, but it will fail against anyone who knows his ass from a hole in the ground. Even going for air is probably going to fail most of the time unless your opponent somehow misses the fact that you're doing it. There are very good counters for all the protoss air units.
Canon rushes, proxy pylons behind the enemy's base, and rushing for dark templars are all easy to defeat if you just ACTUALLY SCOUT. If you play zerg, just send in some disposable units, or fly some overlords. If you play Terran, just scan for fuck's sake. If you play Protoss... well, really, scouting is probably one of the weakest things about Protoss. Maybe the Oracle has changed that? Haven't played with them long enough to tell.
The thing about protoss is... gateway units just aren't that good in the midgame. Especially against Terran. Once Terran gets enough marauders, zealots can't make a dent, and stalkers are not cost-effective. So you have to make this awkward transition from gateway units into whatever your lategame build will be. Terran and Zerg have less trouble with this. Zerg can use any hatchery to produce any unit, of course. And for terran, marines are useful the whole game.
Terran strategy is a lot more compicated than just "mech or not?". Good players will use things like multi-pronged drops, mining frontier bases with hordes of mules, banshees and other air assaults, etc. The list goes on. "mech" is not even a single thing in Terran, since you have to upgrade ship weapons and ground weapons separately, so you have to choose what to focus on. Even if you decide to only do ground, a build with a lot of tanks is going to be a lot different than a build that is mostly goliaths. You have to scout and see what the enemy is doing.
I've been out of the game for a while, but that's the balance I remember. |
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I'm actually looking forward to Legacy of the Void by fabio 11/14/2014, 10:52pm PST 
Re: I'm actually looking forward to Legacy of the Void by pinback 11/15/2014, 4:08am PST
Re: I'm actually looking forward to Legacy of the Void by Entropy Stew 11/15/2014, 4:31am PST
Right. Meanwhile... by pinback 11/15/2014, 5:03am PST
Sagat wasn't overpowered in Street Fighter 4 because the best player picked Ryu NT by Worm 11/15/2014, 11:23am PST
I think you're trying to make a point there, and I think it's a bad one. NT by pinback 11/15/2014, 11:31am PST
TIGER SHITPOST NT by YOU LOSE 11/15/2014, 3:16pm PST
To be fair, Ryu was like #2 on the vanilla tier list by Entropy Stew 11/15/2014, 3:23pm PST
Re: Right. Meanwhile... by fabio 11/15/2014, 11:55am PST
AHHHH FABIO OP! NT by end thread please 11/15/2014, 12:50pm PST
It's a funny video, pinback. I just posted a funny video. That's all it is NT by Entropy Stew 11/15/2014, 3:11pm PST
I enjoyed it. Been watching Starcrafts since the early days. Thank you. NT by pinback 11/15/2014, 3:19pm PST
Before this thread went off the rails... by blackwater 11/22/2014, 12:24am PST
This is all correct. by pinback 11/22/2014, 7:08am PST
Re: Before this thread went off the rails... by fabio 11/22/2014, 8:48am PST
Number of fabios who are a faggot for refusing to play me in SC2: STILL ONE NT by pinback 11/22/2014, 10:49am PST
Are we playing the same game? by blackwater 11/23/2014, 9:37pm PST
Do you wonder why no one ever replies to you? by fabio 11/15/2014, 11:49am PST
Re: Do you wonder why no one ever replies to you? by Kenji Carter 11/15/2014, 11:52am PST
Care to discuss why? by fabio 11/15/2014, 1:22pm PST
It's like, a thing that is obvious, that it wastes our time to explain to you wh NT by y it is a fact here. Idiot. 11/15/2014, 1:58pm PST
On mobile atm. Didn't write this one. Don't agree with it. NT by Kenji Carter 11/15/2014, 2:13pm PST
Anonymous posting causing stress NT by YET AGAIN 11/15/2014, 3:19pm PST
I can by Mysterio 11/18/2014, 8:35am PST
Re: I can by Mewling #GG Manchild 11/18/2014, 9:58am PST
league/a/s/l?? NT by pinback 11/18/2014, 12:37pm PST
I could be wrong by fabio 11/18/2014, 8:15pm PST
Also I don't care why nobody replies to me. by pinback 11/15/2014, 3:21pm PST
Mister Pinback? Please dont destroy this site. It's my home. NT by A Boy of Five (it's cold out) 11/15/2014, 4:14pm PST
We can't all be a dashing raconteurs and bon vivants like you, Fabs by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 11/18/2014, 3:51pm PST
Women: a sex so weak they're driven out of a profession by impotence. NT by Worm 11/18/2014, 6:26pm PST
Fuck. You got him THAT time, but surely next time this guy will be smarter tha NT by Mysterio 11/18/2014, 7:34pm PST
Zseni detector: 32% probability by fabio 11/18/2014, 7:56pm PST
But the GamerGate scum just don't disagree with people like Anita by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 11/18/2014, 11:33pm PST
Take it as a compliment, 'trops. The troll's being forced to try harder. by Mischief Maker 11/19/2014, 5:12am PST
lets not scare him away now NT by WITTGENSTEIN 11/19/2014, 11:36am PST
Why not? It's probably jsoh, anyway. NT by Mischief Maker 11/19/2014, 12:59pm PST
I'm not sure I can disagree that Twitter is torture by Roop 11/19/2014, 5:25am PST
Does every base here have to be about the same stupid shit now? by pinback 11/19/2014, 5:38am PST
Jolt Country posters are racist against Caltrops. NT by Mischief Maker 11/19/2014, 5:39am PST
Torment! by The Nameless One 11/19/2014, 5:40am PST
That "torture" is Anita's fucking paycheck, moron NT by Eurotrash 11/19/2014, 5:53am PST
"Your GG pals" NT by You are a child. 11/19/2014, 6:47am PST
I will defend your right to say this! by Souffle of Pain 11/19/2014, 2:16pm PST
Literally The Only Way To Get This Base Back On Topic by pinback 11/19/2014, 6:14pm PST
fabio, play pinback in Starcraft 2. Come on. NT by The Nameless One 11/19/2014, 8:07pm PST
Charlie Brown should play football with Lucy by fabio 11/19/2014, 8:46pm PST
Re: Charlie Brown should play football with Lucy by The Nameless One 11/19/2014, 9:18pm PST
That's what his dad shoulda done OHHHHhhhhhh NT by pinback 11/20/2014, 4:03am PST
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