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Timelines by Fussbett 09/28/2012, 3:24am PDT
Yeah, my anecdote might not have happened after Street Fighter III, it might've been after Street Fighter Alpha 2, or whatever. Probably right as SFA2 came to consoles, since that would explain the internet arguing, Saturn fans trumpeting their superior port (finally). But Capcom had said they were keeping SFIII in 2D long before it came out, so they were the last refuge of the polygon naysayers.

Entropy Stew wrote:

I don't think I've played a 3d fighter that matched that 2d crisp feel until SF4. The "blah blah keyframes" explanation sounds like bs, but there has to be a reason.

Great question. The short answer is that a crisp 2D feel wasn't the direction of fighting games prior to SFIV jump starting the scene again. For the last decade we thought we wanted plodding realistic brawlers in the Tekken/VF/SC style, so that's what we got. Turns out we still wanted to play SFII too. It's telling that you said "feel" and not "look". SFIV's cartoony nature extends into mechanics too -- like how each strike pauses the action for a split second which alone communicates so much weight to the contact before the rest of the animation finishes, and also has the side effects of being able to backload the animation frames after the quick execution, and also making it easier to "read" the action, instead of just a flurry of quick moves. The fight has a staccato rhythm. But that's not all! Ono also talked about originally using collision detection in the early SFIV builds, but people didn't like it at test locations because it didn't feel like Street Fighter. So hit boxes went (back) in and suddenly it was Street Fighter again, a huge hit was (re)born.

In the longer answer I would even talk about how today's 3D animators are exponentially better than the self-taught ones of previous fighting game generations, 60 frames per second versus the 30 in prior gens, your forgetful brain about some slick fighters out there, what is the nature of crispness, and various Wittgensteins.
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ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING RETRO GRAPHICS!!! by Mischief Maker 09/25/2012, 2:41pm PDT NEW
    "Wizorb" in the Humble Bundle looks like shit, BTW. NT by Mischief Maker 09/25/2012, 2:42pm PDT NEW
    Re: ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING RETRO GRAPHICS!!! by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/25/2012, 3:47pm PDT NEW
        CGA is hipster cool by Roop 09/25/2012, 6:05pm PDT NEW
            Re: CGA is hipster cool by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/25/2012, 7:56pm PDT NEW
            I am getting the idea that hipster cool is not cool. NT by Shredder 09/26/2012, 11:36am PDT NEW
            Dithering leaves me withering NT by Hipster Id 09/26/2012, 10:05pm PDT NEW
        Depends. You aren't taking photos then changing them to CGA, are you? by Mischief Maker 09/25/2012, 6:45pm PDT NEW
            Re: Depends. You aren't taking photos then changing them to CGA, are you? by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/26/2012, 10:55am PDT NEW
        it might be better to pick your own 4-color scheme by jeep 09/25/2012, 8:23pm PDT NEW
        Re: ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING RETRO GRAPHICS!!! by laudablepuss 09/26/2012, 8:22am PDT NEW
    Re: ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING RETRO GRAPHICS!!! by Vested Id 09/26/2012, 5:01am PDT NEW
        Not incredible sounding? by Entropy Stew 09/27/2012, 7:33pm PDT NEW
            Fact: 99% of baroque music recordings are ruined by harpsichords doubling everyt NT by Fullofkittens 09/27/2012, 8:47pm PDT NEW
    The NES aesthetic works better for some genres than others. by Jerry Whorebach 09/26/2012, 6:13am PDT NEW
        Re: The NES aesthetic works better for some genres than others. by Fussbett 09/27/2012, 9:26am PDT NEW
            Figures an Out of This World fan would take issue with that point. by Jerry Whorebach 09/27/2012, 11:05am PDT NEW
                Re: Figures an Out of This World fan would take issue with that point. by Fussbett 09/28/2012, 1:31am PDT NEW
                    Wizorb stretches the definition of '8-bit Nintendo' to include the TurboGrafx-16 by Jerry Whorebach 09/28/2012, 3:49am PDT NEW
            Eh? Street fighter EX was out on the PS1 by Entropy Stew 09/27/2012, 4:12pm PDT NEW
                Timelines by Fussbett 09/28/2012, 3:24am PDT NEW
        I must also take issue with that quoted bit by Arbit 09/27/2012, 3:34pm PDT NEW
            Have you ever actually played an NES game? by Jerry Whorebach 09/27/2012, 7:02pm PDT NEW
        Games ruined for lack of animation, part I: Double Dragon (Master System) by Jerry Whorebach 10/05/2012, 6:01am PDT NEW
    Re: ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING RETRO GRAPHICS!!! by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 09/27/2012, 7:43am PDT NEW
        But Professor Asperger, we already know what vector graphics are!! NT by go fuck yourself 09/27/2012, 8:08am PDT NEW
        Gemini Rue had nothing to do with CGA. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/27/2012, 9:46am PDT NEW
            And I don't give a shit if it didn't use CGA. It looks like it did... by Tansin A. Darcos (TDARCOS) 09/27/2012, 10:54am PDT NEW
                Re: And I don't give a shit if it didn't use CGA. It looks like it did... by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/27/2012, 12:02pm PDT NEW
                    Christ. Some site is still doing the "no hotlinking" thing. by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/27/2012, 5:43pm PDT NEW
                        it's still a bad idea by jeep 09/27/2012, 6:15pm PDT NEW
                One would think an old fucker like you would know more about old video formats NT by but apparently you're too retarded. 09/27/2012, 1:47pm PDT NEW
                You really think that's going to fly on a forum with its own Vectrex game? NT by Entropy Stew 09/27/2012, 4:21pm PDT NEW
    How do you feel about the silhouette style of games like Limbo and Deadlight? by Jerry Whorebach 09/27/2012, 8:31pm PDT NEW
    I think I've been misinterpreted in this thread by Mischief Maker 09/27/2012, 8:57pm PDT NEW
        What's a good e-mail address to hit you with? by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/30/2012, 9:14am PDT NEW
            Re: What's a good e-mail address to hit you with? by Mischief Maker 09/30/2012, 9:22am PDT NEW
    A special fuck you to MM by fabio 10/11/2012, 1:30pm PDT NEW
        I'm going to be a huge hypocrite with "Hotline Miami" by Mischief Maker 10/11/2012, 1:59pm PDT NEW
            That video gave me motion sickness by Entropy Stew 10/13/2012, 9:13am PDT NEW
 
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