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Seeing the forest for the trees by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 07/22/2009, 3:28pm PDT
Bananadine wrote:

I guess so, if the context is comics? But I think words would be a better alternative than superhero imagery, here--maybe like a few about what happened with that enormous plague. You know, the greatest event in human history--the one whose first two months this comic skips over so as to make room for some pictures of a guy trying to unlock things.

Also the part where the President of the US learns that there is still a man alive and humanity might not end after all, and thereafter acts a little bit surprised. A description of that part would be nice! Maybe instead of some of those pictures of a guy hanging upside-down.


It really sounds like you were expecting a different story than the one that was told. From my viewpoint, Y isn't about the Earth in the aftermath of mass male extinction as much as it is about Yorick's maturation, and to a lesser extent, what it means to become a man in a world where the role of women in every level of human society has changed so dramatically so quickly. The plague provides a backdrop, but it's not the point of the story any more than the cause of the apocalyptic event is the point of The Road, or the exact judicial and legislative policies that led to rampant crime in Gotham City are the point of any given Batman story. Vaughn was conscious of the reader's interest in the background of the plague and intentionally provided a variety of explanations for what happened without settling on a definitive choice. There's nothing wrong with being unhappy with the fact that the story you got wasn't the story you felt you were promised, and there's nothing wrong with disliking Y on its own merits, but from your complaints here it really sounds like you expected a book that would more closely examine the various societal effects of the sudden death of every male on Earth.

In the same vein, I realized after reading the latest issue of Crossed that it's not a zombie/Reaver book at all. At its heart, Crossed is a recontextualized road trip story: the journey is the destination, as they say. Crossed is about a group of people on a external physical journey that parallels their internal spiritual journey, unlike Walking Dead which really is a long-form zombie survival horror story or Marvel Zombies, which is just pure pulp what-if. The Crossed are nothing more than a story hook; functionally identical to zombies or aliens. Hell, make the survivors escaped convicts and the Crossed cops, and the same basic framework survives intact. Arguments that Ennis's depictions of that internal journey are hackneyed and predictable are certainly appropriate, but again, Crossed is a specific type of story being told using the props and sets of a completely different type of story.

FABIO: a repeated complaint I see in your never-ending hatred of popular culture is "[people] doing dumb things." I don't really understand this, because as I'm sure you've noticed, people act against their own best interests on every conceivable level on a constant basis. I understand distaste and irritation for people acting in a way that no sane human being ever would (your "bad horror film" analogy), but you psh and dismiss actions that I find if not likely, at least plausible. It is here that I ask you two questions: firstly, what are you drawing upon for your frame of reference when it comes to believable human behavior? Because I'm stumped, to be honest. Either you possess an astonishing lack of in-depth experience with real live human beings -- something I find highly unlikely, seeing as how you live in NYC -- or you completely lack the ability to suspend the tiniest iota of disbelief in the name of artistic license and simplification. Secondly, what popular culture do you enjoy? What movies, television shows, music, etc do you think are good? I'm genuinely curious. From your posts, you don't seem like the type of hipster person who just hates anything and everything simply for the sake of hating. So you have to like something that's relatively popular, right? I'm really interested in what that might be.
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Wanted is possibly the worst comic to ever exist by FABIO 07/19/2009, 8:26pm PDT NEW
    That sounds pretty cool. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/19/2009, 8:37pm PDT NEW
        It's not =( NT by FABIO 07/19/2009, 11:15pm PDT NEW
            You're fabio. 8( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/20/2009, 8:52am PDT NEW
                One of the villains in Wanted is a talking pile of shit by FABIO 07/20/2009, 3:39pm PDT NEW
                    You also hated Iron Man. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/20/2009, 4:48pm PDT NEW
                        Iron Man IS terrible...we're talking about the comic, right? NT by Fortinbras 07/20/2009, 11:53pm PDT NEW
                            No, the movie (no, Savage). NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/21/2009, 9:31am PDT NEW
    It's a pretty good joke about superhero comics/teenage power fantasies. by Gutsby 07/20/2009, 9:02am PDT NEW
        It was like a Garth Ennis comic without a trace of wit by FABIO 07/20/2009, 3:43pm PDT NEW
            oh yeah, plus The Matrix by FABIO 07/20/2009, 4:00pm PDT NEW
                This is an absolutely absurd critique of "Wanted". by Gutsby 07/20/2009, 5:18pm PDT NEW
                    Maybe all main characters of comic books should be nice people. ^_^ NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/20/2009, 5:33pm PDT NEW
                    Re: This is an absolutely absurd critique of "Wanted". by FABIO 07/24/2009, 3:20pm PDT NEW
    The movie was really lacking in violence toward minorities. NT by Worm 07/20/2009, 9:56am PDT NEW
    Worse comic: Y the Last Man by Last 07/20/2009, 9:56am PDT NEW
        The worst comic in reality would have to be Japanese. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/20/2009, 10:28am PDT NEW
            Yes. (you don't know this but Japanese comics are called manga) NT by Last 07/20/2009, 11:29am PDT NEW
                I call them "garbage." 8) NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/20/2009, 1:20pm PDT NEW
                    uncultured SWINE NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/21/2009, 3:49am PDT NEW
        So it's "Hell comes to Frogtown" taking itself seriously? NT by Mischief Maker 07/20/2009, 10:42am PDT NEW
        Soon to be a feature film. NT by Chairman Mao 07/20/2009, 1:41pm PDT NEW
            The awful movie was still better than the worthless comic! by FABIO 07/20/2009, 4:01pm PDT NEW
        No, Wanted is still worse by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 07/20/2009, 3:32pm PDT NEW
            Re: No, Wanted is still worse by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/20/2009, 5:07pm PDT NEW
                This is ICJ's way of telling someone that their posts suck. =( NT by Last 07/20/2009, 5:16pm PDT NEW
            I gave up on his stupid-ass actions before that arc. What is the explanation? NT by Last 07/20/2009, 5:18pm PDT NEW
                Spoiler. by Gutsby 07/20/2009, 5:31pm PDT NEW
                    Thanks! NT by Last 07/20/2009, 6:17pm PDT NEW
        Y: The Last Man - Complete series by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 07/20/2009, 9:08pm PDT NEW
            Getting 1.1 MB/sec! NT by Fussbett 07/20/2009, 9:11pm PDT NEW
            Not worse than Wanted, but still awful by FABIO 07/22/2009, 12:23am PDT NEW
            I do not like this comic by Bananadine 07/22/2009, 7:07am PDT NEW
                I guess any comic that doesn't have disco colored laser beems and super powers i NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/22/2009, 7:28am PDT NEW
                    Is superhero stuff the default thing to like in this context? by Bananadine 07/22/2009, 1:03pm PDT NEW
                        Seeing the forest for the trees by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 07/22/2009, 3:28pm PDT NEW
                            I think Flaboio likes House. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/22/2009, 3:36pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Seeing the forest for the trees by Bananadine 07/24/2009, 7:33am PDT NEW
                                Re: Seeing the forest for the trees by FABIO 07/24/2009, 1:31pm PDT NEW
                                    Here we go by FABIO 07/24/2009, 3:08pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Seeing the forest for the trees by ice cream jonesy 07/24/2009, 8:57am PDT NEW
                                oh god the dance of the three snakes by up with pod people 07/24/2009, 9:42am PDT NEW
                            Re: Seeing the forest for the trees by FABIO 07/25/2009, 10:01pm PDT NEW
                                your mom NT by gruman 07/25/2009, 10:19pm PDT NEW
                                    diet coke NT by FABIO 07/26/2009, 2:41am PDT NEW
                                "Making fun things significantly less fun," check. NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 07/27/2009, 11:10am PDT NEW
                                    what did you expect from the F.A.B.I.O. review robot 120 A-2 ? by bombMexico 07/27/2009, 5:05pm PDT NEW
                                        *DUMPS CORNBREAD* NT by Ripley 07/27/2009, 5:08pm PDT NEW
                                    Prototype: Blows your fucking mind away NT by Box Quote 07/27/2009, 8:51pm PDT NEW
                                        But seriously by FABIO 07/27/2009, 9:01pm PDT NEW
                                            My keyboard is firmly positioned upright, thanks by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 07/28/2009, 2:52pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: My keyboard is firmly positioned upright, thanks by Quétinbec 07/28/2009, 4:42pm PDT NEW
                                                    New Yorkers are pretty horrible people in general NT by FABIO 07/28/2009, 8:42pm PDT NEW
                                                        btw don't read DMZ NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/28/2009, 9:14pm PDT NEW
                                                Fabio is over now. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/28/2009, 9:13pm PDT NEW
                Me too by FABIO 07/22/2009, 10:15am PDT NEW
        Re: Worse comic: Y the Last Man by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/21/2009, 4:02am PDT NEW
            Weyoun and I agree that Hole is the better band in the Hole/Nirvana war. NT by Zsenitan 07/21/2009, 11:05am PDT NEW
                No. Just, no. NT by Fortinbras 07/21/2009, 11:47am PDT NEW
                    Will you at least agree that Courtney Love is the most talented member of Hole? NT by Fanzine Reporter 07/21/2009, 12:14pm PDT NEW
                        No that was Patty Schemel. NT by Fullofkittens 07/22/2009, 6:12am PDT NEW
                If you agree with Weyoun about music, that should tell you something. NT by Fullofkittens 07/21/2009, 11:49am PDT NEW
                    it should tell you that you have good taste NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/21/2009, 1:39pm PDT NEW
                        That wasn't an invitation to fill in a non-existent blank, dumbass. NT by Fortinbras 07/21/2009, 2:38pm PDT NEW
                            hey guys the expert is here, we can post safely now NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/21/2009, 2:45pm PDT NEW
                                I can't see too good is that Bill Shakespeare? 8) NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/21/2009, 2:53pm PDT NEW
                                    jsoh is posting for both of them :( NT by Worm 07/21/2009, 5:38pm PDT NEW
                                        not many people can post for bill shakespeare NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/22/2009, 1:34am PDT NEW
                hole is the band dave grohl formed which turned out to be a lot better right? NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/21/2009, 1:43pm PDT NEW
            Videos ruined music! NT by Fanzine Reporter 07/21/2009, 12:15pm PDT NEW
                I never thought of it that way but you're right, music sucked more with videos NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/21/2009, 1:38pm PDT NEW
                    If it wasn't for Nirvana, Warrant and Winger would still be rockin the free worl NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 07/21/2009, 1:42pm PDT NEW
        as it turns out the actual part in the comic is way better than you describe by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/21/2009, 1:47pm PDT NEW
            I'm learning French. NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/21/2009, 2:54pm PDT NEW
                says werner von braun NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 07/22/2009, 12:49am PDT NEW
 
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