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Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/12/2009, 10:49am PDT
Caltrops Lurker wrote:

Really, the too seconds of sitting on the couch killed you?


When you put it like that (well, not precisely like that, but if you didn't fuck up on the homonyms) it doesn't sound so bad. In fact, in a vacuum, having to place those two little shits sit on a tiny loveseat in order to let me access the save menu sounds positively charming.

But that's not what happened. We didn't have two decades of functional save-anywhere in video games and then see Ico's cutesy take on it. Saving your progress in a video game became an ever-more annoying process deigned acceptable by gamers that wore their lack of willpower as some sort of mail-in Activision badge ("saving anywhere destroys tension! I can't help myself from saving every two seconds!!") and lazy, incompetent developers and designers that couldn't understand the concept of saving state, the science of which is so difficult to grasp that every single 12-year old that's made a NES emulator has included it in their first two or three releases.

That being said, it wasn't a quick two seconds to get Ico and his gal to sit on the couch, it was pointless nonsense in the cooldown stage of what, by definition, was probably an awesome experience that the game gave us moments earlier - especially since any reasonable game should simply let me hit fucking "start" to access the save menu. Ico is otherwise one of the best games ever made, and I never understood why the studio went through all the trouble of giving us the first great game in history that did not need or require a GUI, a game where the goal of complete immersion was obviously never far away from the thoughts of anyone who worked on it... where we'd experience a swordfight against shadow monsters, hacking away at them to save our GHOST GIRLFRIEND... and then go through an utterly pointless mini-game of NPC squeezing to get those two lovebirds on the couch. It went totally contrary to everything they were trying to do in Ico.


And you're single...?


Not when I was playing Ico, no. But I stole my take on save systems from her, and I'm just regurgitating them here on Caltrops - I can't stand being able to save whenever I want; if Levelord designed his shit better, I wouldn't need to.


the dark and gritty...Ice Cream Jonsey!
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Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Fussbett 03/10/2009, 2:06am PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 2:26am PDT NEW
        Here's the AIM log of that by Fussbett 03/10/2009, 1:14pm PDT NEW
            Hey that gives me an answer by Bananadine 03/10/2009, 3:41pm PDT NEW
                wrong, the correct answer is: medal of honor allied assault by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 6:00pm PDT NEW
                Re: Hey that gives me an answer by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:08pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Hey that gives me an answer by Bananadine 03/11/2009, 6:01am PDT NEW
                        Re: Hey that gives me an answer by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/11/2009, 6:03am PDT NEW
                            Re: Hey that gives me an answer by Tricknology 03/11/2009, 9:17pm PDT NEW
                                They are but COD enemies aren't. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/11/2009, 11:48pm PDT NEW
                countering with Far Cry by Entropy Stew 03/11/2009, 8:18am PDT NEW
    Akuma (Puzzle Fighter) by Zsenitan 03/10/2009, 2:34am PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Quétinbec 03/10/2009, 5:35am PDT NEW
    Memory Block Six Assassination in Assassin's Creed by Fortinbras 03/10/2009, 9:45am PDT NEW
        Trigens in Far Cry NT by Fortinbras 03/10/2009, 5:03pm PDT NEW
            This isn't really the problem by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/10/2009, 8:05pm PDT NEW
                Re: This isn't really the problem by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:10pm PDT NEW
                    In the open-area levels it's not, but in the initial level when you're scroungin by Fortinbras 03/10/2009, 8:36pm PDT NEW
                    Re: This isn't really the problem by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/10/2009, 9:15pm PDT NEW
                        I called you a minigun. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 9:17pm PDT NEW
                            No, I'm pretty sure you called him FABIO =( NT by Fortinbras 03/10/2009, 9:21pm PDT NEW
                                THAT'S PRETTY BAD NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 9:27pm PDT NEW
                                    Well if you don't like FABIO I suppose it could be NT by Fortinbras 03/10/2009, 9:36pm PDT NEW
        Burst/full-auto weapons in Fallout 2 by Fortinbras 03/10/2009, 5:35pm PDT NEW
        Walkers out in the open with no shotgun skill in Mass Effect NT by Fortinbras 03/12/2009, 4:47pm PDT NEW
        Krogen who rush you and melee you before you can react in Mass Effect NT by Fortinbras 03/12/2009, 5:46pm PDT NEW
            the main story quest planets before finishing every side quest NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/12/2009, 9:33pm PDT NEW
            Enemies everywhere go go go I shall destroy you. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/13/2009, 1:25am PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Rafiki 03/10/2009, 10:12am PDT NEW
        everything about Battletoads by Rafiki 03/10/2009, 2:15pm PDT NEW
            Darknuts (Legend of Zelda, NES) NT by Rafiki 03/10/2009, 2:31pm PDT NEW
            WoW player: 'Argh, fucking _________!' by Fussbett 03/10/2009, 3:14pm PDT NEW
                "blizzard" (the devs are the real enemy) NT by gruman 03/10/2009, 3:24pm PDT NEW
                    Yes, this. *high fives fake borthor* ^_^ NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:11pm PDT NEW
                "needless timesinks" NT by up with pod people 03/10/2009, 4:24pm PDT NEW
                    Or "drop rate". by laudablepuss 03/10/2009, 4:45pm PDT NEW
                        Also, why is my good-guy character collecing fucking ears? :( by laudablepuss 03/10/2009, 4:47pm PDT NEW
                            thanks joe NT by Xan 03/10/2009, 7:11pm PDT NEW
                                Xan, Joe, and Exthor. Palz forever. NT by Fussbett 03/10/2009, 10:10pm PDT NEW
                                Shit I thought I'd signed one of my posts again! NT by laudablepuss 03/11/2009, 10:13am PDT NEW
                        that is indeed a finer point on it by up with pod people 03/10/2009, 7:42pm PDT NEW
                            quest chains quest chains quest chains and a terrible fucking shitty LFG interfa NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 7:51pm PDT NEW
                "stupid ass retard teammates" NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 5:53pm PDT NEW
                FTR most of these are MMO-general by up with pod people 03/10/2009, 8:10pm PDT NEW
                    warhammer fixes quite a few of the most glaring flaws but not all of them :( NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 8:17pm PDT NEW
                Re: WoW player: 'Argh, fucking _________!' by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:23pm PDT NEW
                    blueberries have the advantage of looking more like actual girls than nelfs by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 8:26pm PDT NEW
                        Re: blueberries have the advantage of looking more like actual girls than nelfs by Fortinbras 03/11/2009, 1:39am PDT NEW
                            IT'S NOT EVEN HUMAN NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/11/2009, 3:04am PDT NEW
                            Violet Beauregarde is LARPing now? NT by Entropy Stew 03/11/2009, 9:13am PDT NEW
                Jews NT by Fortinbras 03/10/2009, 9:37pm PDT NEW
            Re: everything about Battletoads by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:44pm PDT NEW
                Re: everything about Battletoads by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 9:04pm PDT NEW
                PSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHUUUUUUHHH IF I MEANT WARRIORS I'D HAVE SAID WARRIORS by Rafiki 03/11/2009, 7:09am PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/10/2009, 11:08am PDT NEW
        Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Caltrops Lurker 03/12/2009, 8:05am PDT NEW
            wow ico had a save point placed every two seconds throughout the game? NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/12/2009, 8:10am PDT NEW
                (tooooooooooo seconds) NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/12/2009, 8:25am PDT NEW
                wow, weyoun is completely missing the point the parent poster was making NT by take a picture, kids 03/12/2009, 10:39am PDT NEW
                    I'm now proven to be mentally incapable of processing irony. NT by take a picture, kids 03/12/2009, 10:43am PDT NEW
                        wow, weyoun is pretending to know what irony is NT by shutters clicking flashbulbs poppin 03/12/2009, 10:50am PDT NEW
                            Considering that you're totally objectively and provably incorrect, the vorta is by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/12/2009, 10:59am PDT NEW
                                Bad eyes, good hearing -____- NT by Weyoun Six 03/12/2009, 11:03am PDT NEW
                    I took an invalid point and made it valid for the purpose of this thread by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/12/2009, 9:36pm PDT NEW
                        Let's misunderstand you and call you a retard, and not recognize the irony of it NT by the actual retards 03/13/2009, 1:26am PDT NEW
            Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/12/2009, 8:22am PDT NEW
            Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/12/2009, 10:49am PDT NEW
                To the dummy pissed off at Jso/"Weyoun" do not read ICJ's post here. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/12/2009, 11:07am PDT NEW
        "graphics" NT by ICJ? 03/12/2009, 10:29am PDT NEW
    Re: AWP by Entropy Stew 03/10/2009, 1:05pm PDT NEW
        Personally, I'm an AWP whore. by Fussbett 03/10/2009, 2:50pm PDT NEW
            the real problem is the spawn system by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 5:55pm PDT NEW
            The awp totally changes the entire game. I like playing with or without it NT by Entropy Stew 03/10/2009, 11:45pm PDT NEW
        I always liked the AWP and auto sniper, but I was better at the SMGs. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:14pm PDT NEW
            at least you can't hit someone with an smg once from half a map away and instaki NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 8:21pm PDT NEW
                So I should use an AWP then okay. ^_^ NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:24pm PDT NEW
                    with the smgs at least you can get around cover if you are hit by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 8:31pm PDT NEW
                        Re: with the smgs at least you can get around cover if you are hit by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:42pm PDT NEW
    Daddy (Don't Wake Daddy) by Jerry Whorebach 03/10/2009, 1:31pm PDT NEW
        I second those goddamned eagles. NT by Last 03/10/2009, 1:49pm PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Entropy Stew 03/10/2009, 1:37pm PDT NEW
        NHL 98 stickside sweep exploit NT by Entropy Stew 03/10/2009, 11:54pm PDT NEW
            OH CHRIST THE SCOUT BALL FUCK THAT SHIT NT by Entropy Stew 03/12/2009, 12:23am PDT NEW
            I still want to know how to do a One Timer in that game NT by Fortinbras 03/12/2009, 12:52am PDT NEW
    Enemies that approach from an angle you can't attack. (Castlevania, I'm looking NT by Last 03/10/2009, 2:48pm PDT NEW
        Argh! by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/10/2009, 6:00pm PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Worm 03/10/2009, 3:42pm PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Bodybag 03/10/2009, 6:07pm PDT NEW
        Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by Tricknology 03/10/2009, 7:03pm PDT NEW
        Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/10/2009, 8:12pm PDT NEW
        More Generals by FABIO 03/11/2009, 1:08am PDT NEW
    me (The Specialists circa '05) by Tricknology 03/10/2009, 6:57pm PDT NEW
        all airpower in the BF series before 2142 by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 7:38pm PDT NEW
            oh and single player was impossible for practicing airplane combat NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 7:40pm PDT NEW
                hm good tip? by Tricknology 03/11/2009, 8:55pm PDT NEW
                    it's also impossible in multiplayer and also singleplayer sucks in general by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/11/2009, 8:57pm PDT NEW
    finally a group claptors thread I want to contribute to by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/10/2009, 7:41pm PDT NEW
        I still have yet to see anything that tops the MOH snipers. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/10/2009, 8:20pm PDT NEW
    Ninja Gaiden birds by FABIO 03/11/2009, 1:14am PDT NEW
        Marines, Standoffs by FABIO 03/11/2009, 1:16am PDT NEW
            This could go on for years! by bombMexico 03/11/2009, 4:27pm PDT NEW
                HAHAHAHAHAH NT by Entropy Stew 03/12/2009, 12:28am PDT NEW
                    BULBED! NT by Entropy Stew 03/12/2009, 10:30am PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by bombMexico 03/11/2009, 4:34pm PDT NEW
    One Round Online Matches (SFIV) NT by Worm 03/11/2009, 7:55pm PDT NEW
        Sinking ship by Prettydeadkitty 03/12/2009, 8:13am PDT NEW
            needing experience just before you get it by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/12/2009, 8:20am PDT NEW
                games that involve tons of walking with no benefit; aimless wandering by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/12/2009, 8:23am PDT NEW
            Re: Sinking ship by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/12/2009, 8:28am PDT NEW
                I was thinking maybe we could rent the orange box and get all durr achayvmints NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/12/2009, 8:32am PDT NEW
                Re: Sinking ship by Prettydeadkitty 03/12/2009, 9:11am PDT NEW
                    Re: Sinking ship by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/12/2009, 9:31am PDT NEW
                        Re: Sinking ship by Prettydeadkitty 03/12/2009, 9:51am PDT NEW
                            I lived in Calgary for an entire year. I would advise against it. NT by mark 03/12/2009, 3:48pm PDT NEW
                                Calgary is the most annoying enemy of all NT by More than tiny biting clawing rats 03/12/2009, 7:10pm PDT NEW
    Re: Annoying/cheap weapons/enemies by mark 03/12/2009, 8:59am PDT NEW
        Ice levels (platformers) second only to sewer levels. (RPGs) NT by Prettydeadkitty 03/12/2009, 9:18am PDT NEW
    Fish in Dwarf Fortress NT by Fullofkittens 03/12/2009, 8:08pm PDT NEW
        Interface in Dwarf Fortress NT by Mischief Maker 03/12/2009, 11:30pm PDT NEW
            Game in Dwarf Fortress. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/13/2009, 1:30am PDT NEW
                the GUI in dorf fortress NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/13/2009, 6:23am PDT NEW
                    The hotkey user interface in Dwarf Fortress. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/13/2009, 6:26am PDT NEW
                    PS waiting patiently for a rocketing rageshit response to this troooooooll. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 03/13/2009, 6:28am PDT NEW
        That reminds me about ghost fish in Ninja Gaiden NT by Fussbett 03/12/2009, 11:39pm PDT NEW
            Firewheel turned ghostfish into free powerup bonus rounds NT by FABIO 03/13/2009, 8:38am PDT NEW
    battletoads, the whole game (also: biggest disappointment in history?) NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 03/13/2009, 6:23am PDT NEW
 
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