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Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 8:52pm PST
motherfuckerfoodeater wrote:

I think that Bioshock can easily be read either way. You can (as you seem to have) read the collapse of rapture as an inevitable consequence of its founding "principles", or you can read the collapse as the result of Ryan's abandoning his ideal free society in favor of a police state in the face of adversity. It seems clear that this was intended to let the designer(s) have it both ways, which just goes to show how firm in their convictions Rand fans are.


That's cool. I had never considered the possibility that BioShock was throwing Ryan there under the bus, for freaking out when the shit started to hit the fan. But yeah, that makes sense. I was obviously thinking along the lines of:

- Ryan builds Rapture, which is to be a Randian paradise
- The designers of BioShock fill it with the same horrible people you see (generally speaking; I'm sure there are some perfectly pleasant objectivists on this forum) advocating it on the Internet today
- The inevitable happens when all those people are thrown together

But yeah, the game being a lesson on what happens when a guy like Ryan compromises, or turns into a fascist or whatever - that's fine, too. It really is the best game I've played in years, on many levels.

While trying to remember Sukhov's name, I hit the Wikipedia article for BioShock, which says that originally, the game was going to feature a protagonist/player that was a cult deprogrammer:

a person charged with rescuing someone from a cult, and mentally and psychologically readjusting that person to a normal life.[43] For example, Ken Levine cites an example of what a cult deprogrammer does: "[There are] people who hired people to [for example] deprogram their daughter who had been in a lesbian relationship. They kidnap her and reprogram her, and


This is a really good idea for a game, as long as they keep the lesbian part. If Ken Levine doesn't make this game in the next 15 years, I'm stealing it, much like how the Gravitron 2 guy stole the idea of putting Choplifter together with Gravitar when the original parties involved couldn't get their schedules sorted out to do it themselves.


ICJ


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Personal Ads for Objectivists by Fortinbras 11/29/2008, 2:09pm PST NEW
    Do they other kinds of classified ads for objectivists? by Jerry Whorebach 11/29/2008, 6:11pm PST NEW
        Ray is selling an outboard motor? NT by Coronation 12/02/2008, 12:45pm PST NEW
    Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Bananadine 12/02/2008, 12:00pm PST NEW
        Try Murray Rothbard's essay on the Ayn Rand cult for real loopiness by Fortinbras 12/02/2008, 12:45pm PST NEW
        Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 1:04pm PST NEW
            Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/02/2008, 2:09pm PST NEW
                Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 8:52pm PST NEW
            Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Bananadine 12/02/2008, 6:32pm PST NEW
                What? by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/02/2008, 7:00pm PST NEW
                    It could be my definition of "neckbeard" is imperfect by Bananadine 12/02/2008, 8:21pm PST NEW
                        Yeah, I was gonna say that, the beard and - yeah NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 8:44pm PST NEW
                        Re: It could be my definition of "neckbeard" is imperfect by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/02/2008, 9:02pm PST NEW
                Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 8:55pm PST NEW
                    The Fountainhead is better written, smaller, and puts across the same point NT by Fortinbras 12/02/2008, 9:03pm PST NEW
                        Also there is a Rush song based on it I think. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 12/02/2008, 9:38pm PST NEW
                            The Trees? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/02/2008, 10:31pm PST NEW
                                No. :( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 12/02/2008, 11:10pm PST NEW
                                    Tom Sawyer? NT by Jerry Whorebach 12/03/2008, 5:09am PST NEW
                                    Well, I give up, *I* can't figure out what The Trees is about /flips keyboard NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/03/2008, 11:42am PST NEW
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                        Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Mischief Maker 12/03/2008, 7:39am PST NEW
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                            Re: Personal Ads for Objectivists by Choson 12/03/2008, 11:36am PST NEW
                        semi-colorful characters that behave consistently with their own impossible pers NT by New Caltrops Titlebar 12/03/2008, 9:17am PST NEW
                    Oh okay let me help with that. by Zsenitan 12/03/2008, 9:48am PST NEW
                        Re: Oh okay let me help with that. by Bananadine 12/03/2008, 10:18am PST NEW
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