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by blackwater 07/28/2024, 7:28pm PDT |
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Intel has not halted sales or clawed back any inventory. It will not do a recall, period. The company is not currently commenting on whether or how it might extend its warranty. It would not share estimates with The Verge of how many chips are likely to be irreversibly impacted, and it did not explain why it’s continuing to sell these chips ahead of any fix.
Intel’s not yet telling us how warranty replacements will work beyond trying customer support again if you’ve previously been rejected. It did not explain how it will contact customers with these chips to warn them about the issue.
But Intel does tell us it’s “confident” that you don’t need to worry about invisible degradation. If you’re not currently experiencing issues, the patch “will be an effective preventative solution for processors already in service.” (If you don’t know if you’re experiencing issues, Intel currently suggests the Robeytech test.)
And, perhaps for the first time, Intel has confirmed just how broad this issue could possibly be. The elevated voltages could potentially affect any 13th or 14th Gen desktop processor that consumes 65W or more power, not just the highest i9-series chips that initially seemed to be experiencing the issue.
Here are the questions we asked Intel and the answers we’ve received by email from Intel’s Hannaford:
How many chips does Intel estimate are likely to be irreversibly impacted by these issues?
Intel Core 13th and 14th Generation desktop processors with 65W or higher base power – including K/KF/KS and 65W non-K variants – could be affected by the elevated voltages issue. However, this does not mean that all processors listed are (or will be) impacted by the elevated voltages issue.
Intel continues validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th and 14th Gen desktop processors are addressed.
For customers who are or have been experiencing instability symptoms on their 13th and/or 14th Gen desktop processors, Intel continues advising them to reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance. Additionally, if customers have experienced these instability symptoms on their 13th and/or 14th Gen desktop processors but had RMA [return merchandise authorization] requests rejected we ask that they reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance and remediation.
Will Intel issue a recall?
No.
Will Intel proactively warn buyers of these chips about the warning signs or that this update is required? If so, how will it warn them?
Intel targets to release a production microcode update to OEM/ODM customers by mid-August or sooner and will share additional details on the microcode patch at that time.
Intel is investigating options to easily identify affected processors on end user systems. In the interim, as a general best practice Intel recommends that users adhere to Intel Default Settings on their desktop processors, along with ensuring their BIOS is up to date.
Has Intel halted sales and / or performed any channel inventory recalls while it validates the update?
No.
Does Intel anticipate the fix will be effective for chips that have already been in service but are not yet experiencing symptoms (i.e., invisible degradation)? Are those CPUs just living on borrowed time?
Intel is confident that the microcode patch will be an effective preventative solution for processors already in service, though validation continues to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed.
Intel is investigating options to easily identify affected or at-risk processors on end user systems.
It is possible the patch will provide some instability improvements to currently impacted processors; however customers experiencing instability on their 13th or 14th Generation desktop processor-based systems should contact Intel customer support for further assistance.
Will Intel extend its warranty on these 13th Gen and 14th Gen parts, and for how long?
[No answer yet.]
Given how difficult this issue was for Intel to pin down, what proof will customers need to share to obtain an RMA? (How lenient will Intel be?)
[No answer yet.]
What will Intel do for 13th Gen buyers after supply of 13th Gen parts runs out? Final shipments were set to end last month, I’m reading.
Intel is committed to making sure all customers who have or are currently experiencing instability symptoms on their 13th and/or 14th Gen desktop processors are supported in the exchange process. This includes working with Intel’s retail and channel customers to ensure end users are taken care of regarding instability symptoms with their Intel Core 13th and/or 14th Gen desktop processors.
What will Intel do for 14th Gen buyers after supply of 14th Gen parts run out?
Same as above.
Will replacement / RMA’d chips ship with the microcode update preapplied beginning in August? Is Intel still shipping replacement chips ahead of that update?
Intel will be applying to microcode to 13th/14th Gen desktop processors that are not yet shipped once the production patch is released to OEM/ODM partners (targeting mid-August or sooner). For 13th /14th Gen desktop processors already in service, users will need to apply the patch via BIOS update once available.
What, if anything, can customers do to slow or stop degradation ahead of the microcode update?
Intel recommends that users adhere to Intel Default Settings on their desktop processors, along with ensuring their BIOS is up to date. Once the microcode patch is released to Intel partners, we advise users check for the relevant BIOS updates.
Will Intel share specific manufacturing dates and serial number ranges for the oxidized processors so mission-critical businesses can selectively rip and replace?
Intel will continue working with its customers on Via Oxidation-related reports and ensure that they are fully supported in the exchange process.
Why does Intel believe the instability issues do not affect mobile laptop chips?
Intel is continuing its investigation to ensure that reported instability scenarios on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen processors are properly addressed.
This includes ongoing analysis to confirm the primary factors preventing 13th / 14th Gen mobile processor exposure to the same instability issue as the 13th/14th Gen desktop processors.
That’s all we’ve heard from Intel so far, though Hannaford assured us more answers are on the way and that the company is working on remedies.
Again, if your CPU is already damaged, you need to get Intel to replace it, and if Intel won’t do so, please let us know. In the meanwhile, you’ll want to update your BIOS as soon as possible because your processor could potentially be invisibly damaging itself — and if you know your way around a BIOS, you may want to adjust your motherboard to Intel’s default performance profiles, too.
Lastly, here is that Robeytech video that Intel is recommending to Redditors to potentially help them identify if their chip has an issue. Intel says it’s looking into other ways to identify that, too.
So, the problem isn't just overvoltage... some of the processors were "oxidized"...
I have one of these CPUs, but it's the mobile version. So maybe mine isn't "oxidized"?
Closing thought (because I just can't resist): Boy, I am sure glad that the Biden adminstration gave these clowns corporate welfare in the form of the CHIPS act. |
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What do you guys think of the recent Intel woes with their new chips? NT by John Gulp 07/23/2024, 3:35pm PDT 
Ah, do you mean this John? by Gaige Grosskreutz 07/23/2024, 3:54pm PDT 
Intel officially claims it’s because of microcode setting bad voltages by Blackwater 07/26/2024, 1:18am PDT 
Also I forgot, this is the fault of Jimmy Carter NT by blackwater 07/26/2024, 6:25am PDT 
Guinea Worms are designing Intel chips? NT by Mischief Maker 07/26/2024, 8:28am PDT 
Ahhh yo I was just kidding. That was me ;) by Gasoline 07/26/2024, 9:06am PDT 
The Verge interviews Intel by blackwater 07/28/2024, 7:28pm PDT 
Re: The Verge interviews Intel by Mysterio 07/29/2024, 8:12am PDT 
I post negative articles about big companies all the time. by blackwater 07/29/2024, 9:19am PDT 
The greatest combination of stupidity and arrogance. by Mysterio 07/29/2024, 9:24am PDT 
CHIPS act by William J. Jefferson (pseudonym) 07/29/2024, 9:20am PDT 
The CHIPS act is corporate welfare for companies that don't need it. by blackwater 07/29/2024, 2:04pm PDT 
Haha, this cocksucking asshole brought up a democrat prez again by hahaahah 07/29/2024, 2:16pm PDT 
You have zero arguments and again, I doubt you understand what I wrote by blackwater 07/29/2024, 2:23pm PDT 
No man, we got it. Slick Willy was a Chinese plant! You actually believe that! by hahaahah 07/29/2024, 2:25pm PDT 
hurm noooo you see, you lack the **necessary intelligence** to understand my poi by Blackwater 07/29/2024, 2:28pm PDT 
This entire post is so fucking weird. Bleachies are weird by Random Clinton rant 08/02/2024, 8:15am PDT 
HEE HEE HEE I CANT HELP MYSELF!!!!! by If you know you post like a faggot 07/29/2024, 9:25am PDT 
Be nice. No one deserves to be treated like this. by Oh 07/29/2024, 9:31am PDT 
Re: The Verge interviews Intel by Gaige Grosskreutz 07/29/2024, 9:40am PDT 
China is not our rival in manufacturing advanced semiconductors. Taiwan is. by blackwater 07/29/2024, 1:48pm PDT 
Jesus Christ NT by unbelievable 07/29/2024, 2:00pm PDT 
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