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Dream Cast wrote:
You can't aim up or down in Doom because, like all great 2D shooters, it's not about aiming - it's about evading. Every enemy attack in Doom can be dodged. Even the grunts, with their hitscan guns, will lock on to your position a fraction of a second before pulling the trigger; as long as you displace in time, they won't touch you.
Speak of the devil! Here's something an actual developer posted on another forum today:
In almost every shooter, AI have no delay.
Consider an FPS where 10 AI soldiers are shooting at you. If there's only a response delay, and you stop moving for half a second, every AI will have the time to aim perfectly and shoot at you simultaneously. Insanely frustrating.
If every AI is hitting you depending on a random number, then it's a lot more fair. As soon as you're out of cover, you'll take a constant amount of damage depending on the number of enemies. You just add a little factor so that AI miss more frequently if you're moving faster, and there, you're rewarding player skill.
I think my concept of fairness, and this guy's concept of fairness, may be diametrically opposed. I had three thoughts while reading his AI delay horror story:
1. That sounds like good incentive for the player to stay mobile, and prioritize hitscanners.
2. That sounds like good incentive for the gameplay designer to include some options for avoiding damage, besides running around in circles.
3. That sounds like GREAT incentive for the level designer to not dump 10 hitscanners somewhere they can all target the player at once.
What I didn't consider is how ~insanely frustrating~ the whole ordeal would be for everybody involved. It's better design to just remove the delay and replace it with a dice roll. Maybe you could give the player a +1 to his dice roll for every level he is above the enemy, to reflect how much more skilled he is? To keep things from getting too grindy, you could even allow players to level up faster by paying real money. Nothing is fairer than capitalism. Except Doom. |
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Here is a video of Sigil by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/11/2018, 7:22am PST 
I never had a 486 growing up. by Mischief Maker 12/11/2018, 5:54pm PST
Re: I never had a 486 growing up. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/11/2018, 6:54pm PST
It's not the 2D graphics that make Doom great, it's the 2D gameplay. by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 3:01am PST
Street Fighter vs. Virtua Fighter by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 4:32am PST
Re: Street Fighter vs. Virtua Fighter by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 11:02am PST
Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Dream Cast 12/16/2018, 1:13pm PST
Re: Sure! It applies to every competitive game, to one extent or another. by Entropy Stew 12/16/2018, 9:24pm PST
I think we've both been making too many assumptions about each other. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 2:59am PST
Yeah, I was definitely generalizing by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 9:05pm PST
Oh, I forgot one by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 10:23pm PST
I'll defer to your expertise when it comes to Street Fighter. by Dream Cast 12/19/2018, 2:15am PST
An example of Doom exploiting its two-dimensionality: by Dream Cast 12/12/2018, 7:20am PST
Christ, those Quake screenshots look great. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/12/2018, 11:36am PST
I bought the Sigil box by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/15/2018, 3:41pm PST
Showed up! by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/28/2019, 6:10pm PDT
How can I make my Quake look like that? NT by Ichabod 12/15/2018, 7:15pm PST
I stole those screenshots from Quaddicted.com by Dream Cast 12/16/2018, 1:46am PST
I may come off as indignant in this post. I'm just really passionate about Doom. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 7:41am PST
How do you feel about others of that time? Blood, Heretic, Duke 3d? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/17/2018, 1:22pm PST
I like them! Not as much as Doom, but still. by Dream Cast 12/17/2018, 2:56pm PST
Forever in its thrall by DooM Floppy #3 12/17/2018, 8:37pm PST
I'll have my 90s shooter list for you soon. But yes, Doom was #1. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/18/2018, 6:51am PST
Re: I'll have my 90s shooter list for you soon. But yes, Doom was #1. by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/18/2018, 1:25pm PST
He must've seen the ram signal in the sky because he just started rambling. by Dream Cast 12/18/2018, 5:56pm PST
Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Entropy Stew 12/18/2018, 10:33pm PST
Re: Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:13am PST
Re: Is Magic Carpet a shooter? by Roop 12/19/2018, 7:25am PST
I don't recall liking Hexen very much, either. by Dream Cast 12/21/2018, 4:04am PST
My memory of Hexen: "This is too dreary and ugly to be a wizard battle game." NT by Fullofkittens 12/21/2018, 6:45am PST
Is there any modern FPS with Doom’s gameplay? by Blackwater 12/19/2018, 12:46am PST
There are some! by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:21am PST
Cool. That is very Doomy. by blackwater 12/19/2018, 4:24pm PST
Does Doom (2016) count? by Entropy Stew 12/20/2018, 6:25pm PST
If nuDOOM counts, then so does Shadow Warrior 2, give that a looksee. NT by Mischief Maker 12/20/2018, 7:20pm PST
Re hitscan: THIS IS HOW YOU END UP WITH COVER SHOOTERS NT by Entropy Stew 12/20/2018, 6:16pm PST
I've been enjoying this thread so much I hate to clarify... by Mischief Maker 12/17/2018, 8:57pm PST
I like this video too. 25 years of Doom by Ichabod 12/11/2018, 8:54pm PST
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