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Re: Tales of Symphonia by wireface 08/16/2004, 10:49am PDT
FABIO wrote:


-4 player mode

This part is pretty wonky. First of all, you don't start off or always have 4 characters in your party. In fact in the first hour you're going to frequently have less than 4. Those extra people are going to have nothing to do when the story reduces yours party. Characters also hop in and out of your party frequently so it's impossible to pick a favorite and stick with him.

Now here's a big boo boo. In fact, I think I must be mistaking on it because it's such a glaring gameplay flaw. You see, the controller port determines who controls which character. Port 1 controls whomever is in the first position, port 2 the second, etc. It seems that you CANNOT SWITCH WHICH CHARACTER YOU CONTROL DURING COMBAT. You can switch wheter a character is human or AI controlled, but you cannot change which character you're manually controlling. If you want to switch to the magic user so you can cast a specific spell, you're fucked. If the character you're controlling is killed, you're fucked. Actually, there is a gay way around this: just pause the game, and plug the controller(s) into a different port, then switch your old character to AI controlled and your current character to human control. What unnacceptably retarded bullshit is this? In Star Ocean 2 you switched party members with the press of a button with the AI taking over for the character you weren't controlling. Again, I'd like to think that there IS a way to switch characters and I just can't find it (no instructions with my rented copy), but pushing all the buttons on the controller yielded nothing. This is a huge goddamn design oversight.


Me and my brother just beat this game a couple of days ago. I'm pretty sure you're right that there's no way to switch characters mid-battle, or at least, we never figured it out. The best way around it that we found, in the case of magic users anyway, is to go into the menu and select the spell. In the long run this way works out better anyway because the casters might as well be controlled by the AI. When a player uses them, they're limited to however many spells they can map to the controls (like 6 or something). Also, controlling them is boring. Hit a button, stand there while they cast. Repeat, usually while off screen if you're not player 1.

Which brings up a far worse problem than the controls. For one player, the camera is fine. For any more than that, it fucking sucks. It stays focused on player 1 the entire time. So unless everyone attacks the same enemy, half the party is off the screen. And there are certain battles where its better to split the fight up, like to keep a magic user pinned down while someone else protects your own casters. The most frustrating aspect of all this shit is that there's a perfectly functional camera there. Let player 1 die. The camera pans out so that everyone is on screen. ! Why not leave it that way the entire fight? I get the impression that this game was developed as one player. Somebody figured "hey, if we make it multiplayer more people will buy it!" so they enabled four player control, and changed nothing else.

This game worked alright with two people, I can't imagine what 4 player would be like. I can guarantee that at least two people are off screen at all times so i guess it would suck.

As for not having four people in the party all the time: it does start this way, but after a couple hours, you almost always have at least 4 if not more to choose from with a couple exceptions here and there.

Oh, and after the first couple hours, switch the difficulty to hard. On normal you can win most fights, even bosses, by mashing the buttons. Hard makes even the jobber fights challenging enough to be fun.
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Tales of Symphonia by FABIO 08/15/2004, 10:49pm PDT NEW
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        Re: Tales of Symphonia by Mysterio 08/16/2004, 4:30pm PDT NEW
            Re: Tales of Symphonia by Creexul :( 08/16/2004, 9:27pm PDT NEW
        than The Punisher? Probably not NT by FABIO 08/17/2004, 1:48am PDT NEW
            Than everything. And on the contrary: definitely yes. NT by Creexul :( 08/17/2004, 5:09am PDT NEW
                time for an objective look at the two by FABIO 08/17/2004, 1:31pm PDT NEW
                    My HL2: Lumberjack mod has this covered. by Jay Schilling Softworks 08/17/2004, 3:38pm PDT NEW
                    Im assuming that by spiders you mean ant lions by The Joosh 09/02/2004, 9:40pm PDT NEW
                        Those aren't SPIDERS, those are TRITES! TRITES! NT by id 09/03/2004, 7:31pm PDT NEW
                    thq torture contest by Asmo 09/03/2004, 6:15pm PDT NEW
                    Torture is going to feel wierd if all the faces look so nonchalant. NT by Worm 09/03/2004, 7:52pm PDT NEW
                        they all look like that by FABIO 09/04/2004, 12:02am PDT NEW
                            Re: they all look like that by Worm 09/04/2004, 10:29am PDT NEW
                        Re: Torture is going to feel wierd if all the faces look so nonchalant. by Quentin Beck 02/03/2006, 2:18pm PST NEW
                        thx wrom NT by laudablepuss-bot 08/20/2007, 3:13pm PDT NEW
    Re: Tales of Symphonia by wireface 08/16/2004, 10:49am PDT NEW
    Re: Tales of Symphonia by Rafiki 08/17/2004, 3:19pm PDT NEW
        Re: Tales of Symphonia by FABIO 08/28/2004, 4:33pm PDT NEW
    okay change this one to negative by FABIO 08/28/2004, 12:04pm PDT NEW
    Re: Tales of Symphonia by Pearson 11/15/2004, 3:02pm PST NEW
        Re: Tales of Symphonia by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/15/2004, 3:21pm PST NEW
        Perhaps you should lick a few less Japanese asses, this game sucked. NT by kthor 11/15/2004, 3:35pm PST NEW
        Re: Tales of Symphonia by False 11/15/2004, 4:32pm PST NEW
        dastardly review! by FABIO 11/15/2004, 6:27pm PST NEW
            Re: dastardly review! by Pearson 11/15/2004, 10:54pm PST NEW
                You're stupid and have bad taste and lick and suck and cuddle dicks NT by kthor 11/16/2004, 1:03pm PST NEW
                    No need to be irrational or obscene by Pearson 11/16/2004, 5:20pm PST NEW
                        Fuck you. Go die. by Worm 11/16/2004, 6:21pm PST NEW
                        To quote Mr. Scarface - by kthor 11/16/2004, 6:46pm PST NEW
                        Go back to fucking Kuro5hin, you fucking faggot. NT by OMM OP OPP OG PHD 11/16/2004, 8:49pm PST NEW
        Re: Tales of Symphonia by john 08/20/2007, 9:16am PDT NEW
            What Your Talking About vs. Get Off Ur Religious High Horse NT by Whoever Wins, We Lose 08/20/2007, 11:38am PDT NEW
            It's ripping of Christianity? NT by Grumah 08/20/2007, 3:14pm PDT NEW
            Re: Tales of Symphonia by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/20/2007, 9:35pm PDT NEW
                Thanks for reminding me that FABIO liked SO 2 by Lizard_King 08/21/2007, 11:22pm PDT NEW
    Re: Tales of Symphonia by Bananadine 09/09/2007, 7:26pm PDT NEW
        Same thing for Tales of Destiny/whatevery for the PS1 that me and joh cooped by Grumah 09/10/2007, 12:20am PDT NEW
        the old "it really takes off after hour 6!" j_RPG defense by FABIO 09/10/2007, 1:08pm PDT NEW
            Re: the old "it really takes off after hour 6!" j_RPG defense by Quentin Beck 09/11/2007, 8:27pm PDT NEW
                but now I am embarrassed :( NT by Bananadine 09/11/2007, 8:27pm PDT NEW
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        Re: Tales of Symphonia by This is Chris's Blood 01/30/2010, 10:36pm PST NEW
        Welcome to Caltrops! NT by Strunk and White 01/30/2010, 10:49pm PST NEW
 
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