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by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 01/26/2014, 3:06am PST |
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motherfuckerfoodeater wrote:
I think there's a sort of corollary to the opinion expressed here which is that if you're a programmer, Windows machines are cheaper than Macs only if your time has no value.
Really stupid opinion. Intel-based Macs are both quantitatively and qualitatively more expensive than Windows machines by any measure you want to use. Linux has about 2% of the software market; Macs have about 7%; all other targets combined (BSD, Syllable, BEOS, OS/2) split about 2%; and Windows has the rest. If you're a programmer, Macs are much more expensive to develop software on for any other reason than you have a specialty, niche market that it provides something not available in Windows which is, as far as I'm aware of, nothing.
Actually I think his argument was the exact opposite, that Linux was much harder to use than Windows and as such unless you're a sysadmin or a trained, Other systems are going to be cheaper only if your time has no value.
"I think Linux is a great thing, in the big picture. It's a great hacker's tool, and it has a lot of potential to become something more. I hope that some day it will have evolved to the point where my mom can take home a Linux box, turn it on, and get on with her life without having to become a Unix sysadmin first, and without having to give up on all the ease of use she's come to expect from allegedly less powerful operating systems.
"Because, you see, what I want to do is to commoditize the OS. I want to have access to all the applications that I need to do the things that I need to do, regardless. Why should someone have to retrain themselves to use a new application that does the same basic thing as the old application, just because something as trivial as the operating system changed out from under them?"
That may be a good argument but it doesn't answer everything. If you wanted to argue for stability we'd still be using mainframes because you can take a binary COBOL application that you no longer have source for, and JCL, and run an application written for a 360 running MVS back in 1970 and that same app will run today on a z/System using z/OS without change and if what it does is still relevant - like payroll - it will still work and will still be relevant 40 years after it was written.
As for the argument about Macs are less expensive if your time has value, it's actually the reverse argument. If you're a programmer writing Apps whose time has value, your time is worth fifteen times as much working on Windows development than it is working on Macintosh development and about 95 times as much as Linux development. If you're doing web development it doesn't matter what your underlying OS is as long as it supports Apache (or any other web server supporting CGI or a built-in interpreter) and the interpreter or compiler you use, whether that's C/C++, Python or Perl for the CGI interface, or PHP as a stock add-in.
For Mobile Apps, it's the reverse. Writing for the Windows environment is a waste of your time; you're better off writing for the Android or iPhone.
As I said, I bought an inexpensive PowerPC Macintosh Desktop in order to find the cheapest way to get my feet wet learning the differences. That I was also able to use it to run software that I originally wrote in and for a Windows environment was a serendipitous opportunity. I would not have bought it to use as a development environment unless there was some special reason. (Building a much more secure application where security is ultra critical might be one of those. With the older Power PC mostly deprecated, the chances of today's script kiddies bothing with something that's probably less than 0.5% of the computers out there makes it extremely unlikely there's going to be any attack vectors for it.) With most of the computers out there running Windows, the law of diminishing returns says to an attacker that the other machines have almost no value to bother with them.
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Hackintosh by Rafiki 09/16/2013, 7:39pm PDT 
Re: Hackintosh by motherfuckerfoodeater 09/16/2013, 8:31pm PDT 
probably don't do this by jeep 09/16/2013, 8:43pm PDT 
I'll repeat what I told TDARCOS about the piece of shit he bought by Entropy Stew 09/16/2013, 11:11pm PDT 
Quit telling jokes by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 09/17/2013, 11:24am PDT 
You worthless fucking retard, this is a thread about iOS development by Entropy Stew 09/17/2013, 1:42pm PDT 
You have just proven your stupidity and incompetence by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 09/17/2013, 10:04pm PDT 
You worthless fucking retard, this is a thread about iOS development NT by Entropy Stew 09/17/2013, 10:20pm PDT 
Holy fucking shit you are so stupid by The Happiness Engine 09/18/2013, 6:02pm PDT 
Just cut the crap and shut up, Happless Injun, you're the stupid one by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 09/26/2013, 9:40am PDT 
I'll ratchet up the autism more by posting something from Wikipedia by Entropy Stew 09/26/2013, 10:33am PDT 
Re: Just cut the crap and shut up, Happless Injun, you're the stupid one by The Happiness Engine 09/26/2013, 4:19pm PDT 
No, when you referenced my computer as a POS you added it to the conversation NT by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 12/22/2013, 12:41am PST 
DECISION: Paul, how much do you get paid to run VLC? Stew, how much to code? NT by Chairman Kaga 09/18/2013, 5:46pm PDT 
Absolutely worthless by False Premise 12/22/2013, 9:11am PST 
Re: Absolutely worthless by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 01/26/2014, 3:37am PST 
so I said 3 years old by jeep 09/17/2013, 9:55pm PDT 
Can you get the iOS sim to work outside of OSX, or were you just testing on phon by es directly? Entropy Stew 09/17/2013, 10:28pm PDT 
they had some windows thing so they were looking at monotouch by jeep 09/18/2013, 7:49pm PDT 
And stop saying stupid things by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 09/17/2013, 10:18pm PDT 
Re: And stop saying stupid things by The Warezwolf 09/17/2013, 10:21pm PDT 
You worthless fucking retard, this is a thread about iOS development NT by Entropy Stew 09/17/2013, 10:21pm PDT 
Yes, and you denegrated my computer, which made it relevant to this conversation NT by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 12/22/2013, 12:46am PST 
What the fuck are you even talking about now? You're fucking insane man! by Eurotrash 09/17/2013, 11:10pm PDT 
Take this advice to heart, please. NT by The Happiness Engine 09/18/2013, 6:04pm PDT 
Broke down and bought a 2011 MacBook Air by Rafiki 12/21/2013, 12:11pm PST 
Re: Broke down and bought a 2011 MacBook Air by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/21/2013, 5:28pm PST 
Please elaborate by Rafiki 12/21/2013, 6:00pm PST 
It's a great value unless you have time/ability to piece together something chea by Vested Id 12/21/2013, 6:16pm PST 
Even if you just install Windows on the Macbook it will be way better by FoK 12/21/2013, 6:19pm PST 
Oh yeah, those laptops are shit by Rafiki 12/21/2013, 7:25pm PST 
Re: Please elaborate by motherfuckerfoodeater 12/21/2013, 9:20pm PST 
Re: Broke down and bought a 2011 MacBook Air by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 01/26/2014, 3:06am PST 
Re: Broke down and bought a 2011 MacBook Air by Commander Tansin A. Darcos 01/26/2014, 7:11am PST 
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