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by ndd 10/07/2011, 4:03pm PDT |
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Average age of attendees: 58-60ish? I was the youngest person in the room by at least ten years.
Look I learned a lot, but not about theology. I learned that most of the main-line decades-of-attendance UU church ladies sound astonishingly like MM, right down to the non sequitur Zen koans. It was like MM was training me to talk to actual UU people in that earlier debate. They reference Louis CK a little less and shamanism a little more, but... fucking yeah, MM could have walked into that class and been Nerevar Moon-And-Star. For people in a church class about theology, they were breathtakingly anti-clerical, anti-organized-religion.
It wasn't a doctrinal thing, as near as I could gather.
It was because they'd all been damaged by some organ of organized religion: rejected by priests for being homosexuals, or rejected by hysterical conservative spouses for being too liberal, or sternly condescended-to by private high school teachers, subject to prejudice backed by religious people, etc. They loathed "Religion" and argued variably about whether UU was a religion (but a GOOD religion (the ONLY GOOD RELIGION)) or not (it's just a collection of shared values, not an awful bad stinking religion.) Such Protestant decorum and quibbling is a huge part of everyday church politics.
But I chatted and complimented and listened and shared, rather than sulking in smug solitary silence as I usually do at these sorts of things (you understand: I already know everything, right?) And I was pleasantly surprised at the warmth of connection. Aside from managing to tear up yet again, I felt involved and comfortable. But also I felt more like the minister-facilitators than the class members: I have no bad feelings about organized religion, I already understand the importance of community and the gravitation inherent in shared faith and worship, I don't have any unanswered questions about Why Things Are or Why I Am, I don't believe self-led spiritual investigation is an unalloyed positive.
After the thing where I learn how to be Not An Asshole, the next Difficult Thing I have to learn is how to tend to this damage and decode this defensive hypocrisy - that of the "I'm spiritual but not religious" churchgoer.
Caltrops, I feel this new line of interest and investigation is criminally gay on my part, but it's also the first time I've felt like I was a welcome participant in a meaningful endeavor. Also MM is like four times the Universalist Unitarian that I am. |
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in which i attend a theology class at church by ndd 10/07/2011, 4:03pm PDT 
I think we know how this ends. NT by Too Soon Industries, Inc. 10/07/2011, 4:33pm PDT 
shut up arsenio NT by ndd 10/07/2011, 4:37pm PDT 
She came from Caltrops, had a thirst for knowledge NT by Gutsby 10/07/2011, 5:28pm PDT 
Haha, I'm sorry, I love you by Gutsby 10/07/2011, 5:55pm PDT 
Re: Haha, I'm sorry, I love you by ndd 10/08/2011, 4:31am PDT 
Did I click the wrong link and end up back in the Questionable Content forum? by Mischief Maker 10/09/2011, 11:22pm PDT 
Inaccuracy? From MM? Never~ by ndd 10/10/2011, 12:09pm PDT 
Sending Zseni from Zero to Rape in 7 posts? OBJECTIVELY FUNNY by Mischief Maker 10/10/2011, 5:05pm PDT 
Ugh whatever. In a few years we'll revisit this like grownups. by ndd 10/10/2011, 5:56pm PDT 
Re: I click the wrong link and end up back in the Questionable Content forum? by Dan Savage 10/10/2011, 7:25pm PDT 
Expressing your Butthurt under the name "Dan Savage?" Now that's comedy! by Mischief Maker 10/10/2011, 7:42pm PDT 
Switching to a name that meets your Approval by Mischief Maker 10/10/2011, 7:58pm PDT 
No! Not my own reflection! by Mmischief-Ra 10/10/2011, 10:17pm PDT 
Using the "Reply" function to publish a response to my post? Now that's by Mischief Maker 10/10/2011, 11:21pm PDT 
SO BE IT! If I am the third Cable Brother then... by Mischief Shai-hulud 10/15/2011, 6:47pm PDT 
this does not compare favourably to troll police NT by Mysterio 10/15/2011, 7:18pm PDT 
If you mean it's funnier and better-drawn NT by then you're right. 10/16/2011, 10:34am PDT 
I have to admit, I don't get the joke. by ndd 10/16/2011, 12:56pm PDT 
Kobuh linked me to this thread. :( by Jhohward n Jsostein 10/16/2011, 4:05pm PDT 
that's like 12 minutes of video to understand one joke by ndd 10/16/2011, 4:35pm PDT 
Part 2 by Mischief Shai-hulud 10/16/2011, 1:30pm PDT 
this is much closer to the troll police tone NT by Mysterio 10/16/2011, 3:18pm PDT 
Part 3 by Mischief Shai-hulud 10/17/2011, 6:52am PDT 
~IT WAS ALL A DREAM!!~ NT by up with pod people 10/10/2011, 9:25pm PDT 
~I USED TO READ WORDUP MAGAZINE~ NT by Biggie Smalls 10/16/2011, 12:03am PDT 
NOT FUNNY NT by Spanky 10/11/2011, 9:41pm PDT 
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