Forum Overview :: Gamerasutra :: Re: Did you even read the initial post?

[quote name="Monty Cantsin"][quote name="Zseni"]....but I want to argue that there is more than one system, [/quote] sure, why not? [quote name="Zseni"]....and that the decision as to which system is the "essential" one is a little arbitrary. [/quote] it's not arbitrary if the players are figuring out how to win, it's somewhat akin to a math problem. [quote name="Zseni"]I read the Play To Win articles linked and found them interesting and informative, but at the same time I wondered what would happen if the scrubs had their way and the self-imposed rules because The Rules. [/quote] This happens all the time, and of course there's nothing wrong with it. House rules, variants, whatever you want. Even Street Fighter experts have their own little self-imposed rule-variants, as Sirlin points out. The difference is one of attitude. Are you making a serious effort to rigorously explore whatever game you're playing at whatever level you are at or are you intentionally paddling around and around in the shallow end? And if you're paddling around in the shallow end and you get sharked do you whine about it? If so you're a scrub. [quote name="Zseni"]The self-imposed limitations of video games are different in what way from self-imposed limitations in, for example, language? Write a book without the letter e, restrain yourself to the heroic sextet when writing poetry, that kind of thing. [/quote] How about Quake Done Quick. Or Battlefield 1942 Stunt Servers? Or beating FFX <a href="http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/final_fantasy_x_nsg.txt">without touching the sphere grid.</a> That's all good shit and I love it. It's <strike>turtles</strike> games all the way down. /mc[/quote]