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| To post IRC logs on public websites (ooooooo).
There were some other conversations running through this which I cut out, but for the most part it was this guy white knighting for oink, and going totally [17:22] [lolotar (POWER USER)] http://what.cd/forums.php?action=viewthread&threadid=20227 look at this shitty thread [17:22] [lolotar (POWER USER)] look at it [17:22] [Rhaegar] but, I'm a PU on what [17:22] [Rhaegar] so easier to download from there : [17:22] [lolotar (POWER USER)] not one carach angren mention [17:23] [floppity] You have 6 attempts remaining. [17:23] [floppity] WARNING: You will be banned for 6 hours after your login attempts run out. [17:23] [floppity] Hahaha. [17:25] [floppity] You are banned from logging in for another 6 hours [17:26] [@Rainfall] :ยด( [17:26] [@Greyface] You fail at passwords? [17:26] [floppity] You are banned from logging in for another 5 hours and 59 mins [17:26] [Rhaegar] you're not missing much, unless you're an audiophile, everything is available elsewhere [17:26] [floppity] It's counting the exact minutes. [17:26] [floppity] You don't even have to tell me, believe me I know. [17:27] [Rhaegar] it's just easier than trawling through blogs [17:27] [@Greyface] floppity.mp3 is an audio file. [17:27] [floppity] Where's the waffles site? [17:27] [floppity] What is that called? [17:28] [@Greyface] What is what? [17:28] [floppity] The one with the waffles. [17:29] [@Greyface] Luftwaffles. [17:29] [@Greyface] .de. [17:30] [Rhaegar] waffles.fm * Retrieving #darknest modes... [17:30] [floppity] When I click on that it just says retrieving #darknest modes. [17:31] [floppity] What did you do? :( [17:31] [floppity] No I am only fooling I'll do it. [17:31] [floppity] http://waffles.fm [17:32] [floppity] Looks like this one doesn't have the same rule about logging in. [17:33] [floppity] Just going to have to write up both of these sites for now. [17:40] [lolotar (POWER USER)] so wait what's the deal with logging in [17:45] [floppity] You can judge the quality of any site by their login page. [17:45] [floppity] Or rather the location of the login page in relation to the rest of the content. [17:45] [lolotar (POWER USER)] in front [17:48] [floppity] In front would be just about rock bottom. [17:48] [lolotar (POWER USER)] uh [17:49] [lolotar (POWER USER)] how else would they position it for these sites [17:49] [lolotar (POWER USER)] the point is that you need an account to access any content [17:49] [floppity] I'm only telling you what I know. [17:49] [lolotar (POWER USER)] waffles is probably my favorite site on the internet so I think you are wrong [17:50] [floppity] All I can tell you is that I would know more than anyone. [17:51] [lolotar (POWER USER)] so all private sites are the worst sites on the internet? [17:52] [floppity] It depends on the private parts. [17:52] [lolotar (POWER USER)] all of them, they're torrent sites and forums [17:52] [lolotar (POWER USER)] that's it [17:52] [floppity] Those ones, yeah. [17:54] [floppity] I mean, you remember oink right? [17:54] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Yes [17:54] [lolotar (POWER USER)] it was somewhat better than [17:54] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Waffles [17:54] [lolotar (POWER USER)] not really that significant a difference [17:56] [floppity] Oink was definitely the worst. [17:57] [lolotar (POWER USER)] what the hell [17:57] [lolotar (POWER USER)] what was wrong with Oink [17:57] [@Greyface] Was a pig. [17:57] [lolotar (POWER USER)] pigs are probably the greatest animals of all time [17:58] [floppity] The newer sites I assume would have to be better, because the people running them would probably be a little more humbled. [17:58] [lolotar (POWER USER)] what was your issue with oink though [17:58] [floppity] Bad website full of bad people. [17:59] [lolotar (POWER USER)] are we talking about the same site [17:59] [floppity] Yes, oink. [17:59] [lolotar (POWER USER)] The music selection was great, the community that I communicate with hasn't changed at all and they're great [18:00] [floppity] Lawl. [18:04] [floppity] Oh yeah I remembered the other thing about oink, their ratio policies. [18:04] [lolotar (POWER USER)] ratio is so easy [18:04] [Callaigh_Elsewhere] What was Oink, again? Wasn't that the "access your hard drive from elsewhere" one? [18:05] * Callaigh_Elsewhere is now known as Callaigh [18:05] [lolotar (POWER USER)] no [18:05] [lolotar (POWER USER)] music sharing site [18:07] [floppity] Oink was a torrent site where they ran it with the most restrictive rules they could imagine. [18:07] [floppity] Eventually it self destructed and the police shut them down, which made me laugh. [18:07] [lolotar (POWER USER)] the ratio rules are seriously so easy to follow [18:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] self destruct? [18:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] It didn't self destruct [18:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Dude got arrested [18:08] [floppity] The site was a disaster for a long time. [18:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I really have no idea what you're talking about [18:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] It was good while I was there [18:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Last few months of its life [18:08] [floppity] You drank the koolaid I guess. :( [18:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] The hell are you talking about [18:10] [floppity] That's rhetorical right? :( [18:10] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I know the kool aid metaphor I just have no idea how it applies, the site was legitimately good [18:11] [floppity] That is how it applies lolotar. [18:12] [lolotar (POWER USER)] it applies when you don't invent reasons to hate things for the sake of hating them? [18:12] [floppity] Are you mad? [18:12] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Well, I said it was a legitimately good site, adn you said that's why it applies [18:12] [lolotar (POWER USER)] but uh [18:12] [lolotar (POWER USER)] there was just nothing really to dislike about it [18:14] [floppity] That's what I was talking about with the kool aid thing. [18:14] [lolotar (POWER USER)] That it was a good site? [18:15] [floppity] No. [18:15] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I'm really just not sure I get what your problem was, the ratio requirements were really, really loose [18:15] [lolotar (POWER USER)] .5 ratio and you could download as much as you wanted [18:15] [lolotar (POWER USER)] that's kinda ridiculously easy [18:15] [floppity] That's what I meant, that you believe that, when it isn't true. [18:15] [lolotar (POWER USER)] What part of it isn't true [18:16] [lolotar (POWER USER)] It being easy to maintain? [18:16] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Because I could tak ea screenshot of me sitting on 12GB of buffer on Waffles if you want, it's actually a little harder to get ratio on waffles [18:16] [floppity] There were people who were banned for having over a 0.5 ratio. [18:16] [floppity] There were people who were banned for having over 0.8 ratio. [18:16] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Uh [18:16] [floppity] There were people who were banned for having over 8.0 ratio. [18:16] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Such as who [18:16] [floppity] I've known some of them personally, even. [18:17] [floppity] What, you want their names? [18:17] [lolotar (POWER USER)] The rules were pretty clear, and I never heard of any cases where people got banned for having high ratio [18:17] [floppity] The rules were the exact opposite of clear. [18:17] [lolotar (POWER USER)] In fact I remember someone making a thread whining that it wasn't fair that people with seedboxes got tons of ratio and could download whatever they wanted, and pretty much everyone, mods included, opposed him [18:19] [floppity] Is that related? :( [18:19] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Plus the ratio watch thing was automatic [18:19] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Yeah? [18:19] [floppity] Ratio watch? [18:19] [lolotar (POWER USER)] What I'm saying is that nobody went around banning people for having ratios above .5 [18:19] [floppity] All I can tell you is I know that they were. [18:20] [lolotar (POWER USER)] if someone told you that they were probably full of shit [18:20] [floppity] They didn't have to tell me because I saw it happen. [18:20] [lolotar (POWER USER)] did it happen to you or what [18:21] [floppity] I downloaded a bunch of stuff and then removed the torrents, then posted about it on the boards. [18:21] [lolotar (POWER USER)] seems like if you steal an invite that's grounds for banning, what does that have to do with someone getting put on ratio watch and banned for having an 8.0 ratio [18:22] [floppity] I "stole" it as in I got it from a friend and then didn't use it properly. [18:23] [Rhaegar] that's just being a dick [18:23] [lolotar (POWER USER)] that statement is basically gibberish [18:23] [floppity] It's not. [18:23] [lolotar (POWER USER)] "I stole it as in I did this thing that has nothing to do with the word steal" [18:23] [Rhaegar] why the fuck would you take his invite just to get banned [18:24] [floppity] He wanted me to. [18:24] [Rhaegar] :S [18:24] [lolotar (POWER USER)] so what you did was got an account, intentionally ruined the ratio, posted about you ruining your ratio on the boards or what [18:24] [floppity] Yeah. [18:25] [lolotar (POWER USER)] so what exactly does that have to do with getting banned for having an 8.0 ratio [18:25] [floppity] He wanted me to try becoming a power user so I could troll the power user boards. [18:25] [floppity] That's a different story. [18:25] [Rhaegar] this was oink? [18:25] [lolotar (POWER USER)] But it's what I was discussing [18:25] [Rhaegar] I'm a PU on what, the forums aren't that great at all [18:26] [lolotar (POWER USER)] yeah what.cd's forums are boring as hell, and PU forums are boring everywhere [18:26] [lolotar (POWER USER)] including non-music torrent sites [18:26] [lolotar (POWER USER)] so it's gotta be like [18:26] [lolotar (POWER USER)] double terribad on what.cd's PU forums [18:26] [floppity] That's what happens when you have a draconian moderation. [18:26] [floppity] Personally I prefer a more free and open community. [18:26] [lolotar (POWER USER)] The moderation on Waffles is bad but you'll only get banned from the forums [18:26] [floppity] That's just me I guess. [18:26] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I don't remember there being any issues on oink [18:27] [floppity] Then you don't remember them. [18:27] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I dunno maybe I didn't go around getting accounts specifically to troll [18:27] [floppity] That's almost literally all I remember about oink. [18:27] [floppity] That and apparently it was supposed to be a music torrent site. [18:27] [lolotar (POWER USER)] the music torrent bit was the bulk of the content [18:28] [Rhaegar] I was never on oink, but from the sounds of it it doesn't sound great [18:28] [Rhaegar] everyone discusses it like it was some sort of exclusive club [18:28] [lolotar (POWER USER)] no, it was bigger than either of the two major music torrent sites around now [18:28] [floppity] I downloaded comedy albums when I was there, and then didn't seed them, and then said so on the boards. [18:29] [floppity] It was just a site where people could be tinpot dictators. [18:29] [floppity] I kind of object to that morally. :3 [18:29] [lolotar (POWER USER)] you know you shouldn't have been banned entirely for that but can you at least see how what you did was a complete dick move [18:29] [floppity] If you're fine with that, that's okay I guess, you can think what you want to about it and it's not like it's that dangerous. [18:30] [floppity] I can only in the context of their preset regulations. [18:30] [floppity] In real life though, no. [18:30] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Well, you go on this site where the idea is that everyone makes a contribution [18:30] [lolotar (POWER USER)] And you tell them "hey, I'm not going to make contributions" [18:30] [lolotar (POWER USER)] that's being a dick [18:30] [floppity] Everyone makes a contribution. :( [18:30] [floppity] That just sounds kind of, I dunno. [18:31] [floppity] It sounds like you are imagining the site as an ideal instead of what it was in practice. [18:31] [lolotar (POWER USER)] there's no other way a p2p site can work [18:31] [floppity] Yeah, there is. [18:31] [floppity] I've seen mininova, you don't have to even register there. [18:31] [lolotar (POWER USER)] and it's slower and shittier [18:32] [lolotar (POWER USER)] the only reason it works at all is because of contributions, which probably mostly consist of people forgetting to turn torrents off [18:32] [floppity] If you see oink as a perfect ideal that is alright. [18:32] [floppity] I just know that it wasn't. [18:32] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I see oink as a place which imposed ratio requirements, which made it impossible to give absolutely nothing back [18:33] [lolotar (POWER USER)] if believing that you had to have a certain ratio to not be barred from downloading torrents is a utopian idealized form of oink [18:33] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I guess maybe I was hallucinating the whole thing [18:33] [floppity] You know, that might be possible. [18:33] [lolotar (POWER USER)] So what are you telling me [18:33] [lolotar (POWER USER)] They didn't impose ratio requirements? [18:33] [floppity] That is your perception after all. [18:34] [lolotar (POWER USER)] People didn't seed? [18:34] [lolotar (POWER USER)] how does this work with what you said about the crazy ratio requirements before? [18:34] [floppity] You know, talking about this at all would've gotten you banned from oink. [18:34] [floppity] Do you really want to defend that? [18:34] [lolotar (POWER USER)] answer the question [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Did oink have ratio requirements [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] or did it not [18:35] [floppity] I know it had a ratio requirement. [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Therefore [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] To remain on the site [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] You had to contribute [18:35] [floppity] But it wasn't 0.5 or anything, I know it was unposted. [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] In order to get a ratio [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] It was .5 [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] It was in the FAQ and the rules [18:35] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I might even have a screenshot of it somewhere [18:35] [@Greyface] Oh well, bed time. [18:36] [floppity] The moderators of oink said they didn't want it public. [18:36] [lolotar (POWER USER)] That's a load of bullshit [18:36] [lolotar (POWER USER)] It was posted on the site [18:36] [lolotar (POWER USER)] It was clear [18:36] [floppity] I'll ask someone who knows. [18:37] [floppity] I might even be able to find the post that proves it. [18:37] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I just asked someone else from oink and he says what I do [18:37] [lolotar (POWER USER)] That they were up there [18:37] [lolotar (POWER USER)] And I remember them very clearly [18:37] [floppity] I'm still trying to work right now so I can't really dig through the archives for a long time. [18:37] [floppity] Was it someone who thought oink was a good site? [18:38] [lolotar (POWER USER)] can only people who like oink see the ratio requirements for it [18:38] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Because I mean [18:38] [lolotar (POWER USER)] They were up there [18:39] [floppity] I didn't figure you'd understand it anyway. :( [18:40] [lolotar (POWER USER)] listen floppity, fine if you think that the moderation was too restrictive, but fabricating shit like saying that there were no posted ratio requirements is absolute nonsense [18:40] [floppity] I'm sure there was a posted one. [18:40] [lolotar (POWER USER)] And everyone who followed it [18:40] [lolotar (POWER USER)] didn't get put on ratio watch [18:41] [floppity] I'm just going by what the oink administration said. [18:41] [floppity] Ratio watch again. [18:41] [lolotar (POWER USER)] do you not know what that is [18:41] [lolotar (POWER USER)] haha [18:41] [lolotar (POWER USER)] http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/6518/oinkratiovx1.png [18:42] [floppity] No, I know exactly what it is. [18:43] [floppity] I just think it's funny that you say it like the concept isn't inherently flawed. [18:43] [lolotar (POWER USER)] [floppity] I know it had a ratio requirement. [18:43] [lolotar (POWER USER)] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Therefore [18:43] [lolotar (POWER USER)] [lolotar (POWER USER)] To remain on the site [18:43] [lolotar (POWER USER)] [lolotar (POWER USER)] You had to contribute [18:43] [lolotar (POWER USER)] [floppity] But it wasn't 0.5 or anything, I know it was unposted. [18:43] [lolotar (POWER USER)] please explain that comment in light of what I just linked [18:43] [floppity] The real one, yes. [18:43] [lolotar (POWER USER)] the "real one" [18:44] [floppity] The real one was a secret the administrators kept, because they claimed in their own words that if they posted exactly what ratio you needed to avoid being banned on the site, "everyone" (they said) would just hover around that ratio to avoid being automatically banned. [18:44] [floppity] I know this because it comes from a post by one of the administrators on the site itself. [18:44] [lolotar (POWER USER)] that's absolute bullshit and you know it [18:45] [floppity] I can understand why you wouldn't want to hear it. [18:46] [floppity] I know that power users on the site tended to take the site's rules and their ratio really really seriously. [18:46] [floppity] Like maybe a little too much. [18:46] [kzti] this argument its really stupid and boring btw, pm -- [18:46] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I was a power user on accident though??? [18:46] [lolotar (POWER USER)] nah [18:46] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I mean, if the ratio requirement was over 8.0 [18:46] [lolotar (POWER USER)] How exactly did I ever become a power user [18:47] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Being that I was on the site longer than 2 weeks, I would've been banned [18:47] [Rhaegar] 8.0 means you've uploaded 8 times as much as you've downloaded [18:47] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Correct [18:47] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Which isn't possible for everyone to maintain [18:47] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Mathematically [18:47] [Rhaegar] how the fuck is that a requirement [18:47] [lolotar (POWER USER)] It wasn't [18:47] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Ever [18:47] [lolotar (POWER USER)] He's full of shit [18:47] [Rhaegar] given that a bittorrent tracker is a self contained economy [18:47] [Rhaegar] it would be impossible for the majority of people to maintain that ratio [18:48] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Correct, which is why such a requirement was never imposed [18:48] [lolotar (POWER USER)] There was an automatic system in place corresponding to the requirements in the link above [18:48] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Nothing else concerning ratio [18:50] [floppity] I think you got what I said confused about that. [18:50] [lolotar (POWER USER)] [floppity] There were people who were banned for having over 8.0 ratio. [18:50] [lolotar (POWER USER)] seems pretty clear to me [18:51] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I mean, do you want to make the argument that the Oink staff went around and chose random groups of people to be subjected to impossible ratio requirements? why would they do that? [18:51] [lolotar (POWER USER)] what exactly is the motivation, and where's any evidence that it ever happened? [18:54] [Grek] nice one lolotar [18:55] [floppity] 1.0 is the goal share. It's been discussed a million times on the forums: for everybody that shoots for a super high share, there's a guy under 1 thats just tryin to catch up. I don't know exactly how even the comparison is, but it's a simple fact of math. [18:55] [floppity] The point is if you have a giant share, give the limited folks an opportunity to catch up. [18:55] [floppity] That was an oink admin. [18:55] [floppity] Telling people not to seed so much. [18:55] [lolotar (POWER USER)] you will notice that that comment contains nothing along the lines of [18:55] [lolotar (POWER USER)] "We have secret ratio requirements that we ban people for not meeting" [18:56] [Grek] or "lolz 8.0 or gtfo" [18:56] [Grek] (: [18:56] [floppity] I know. [18:56] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I recall very distinctly that ideas about ratio maximums were specifically rejected by the staff [18:56] [floppity] I'm looking through about 20,000 posts about oink here, there's no single quote that covers everything. [18:57] [lolotar (POWER USER)] where do you have 20,000 oink posts saved [18:57] [floppity] They're not oink posts. [18:58] [floppity] I said posts about oink. [18:58] [Grek] So what was wrong with oink's ratio requirements? [18:58] [floppity] Actually just never mind this, I'm supposed to be working anyway. [18:58] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Nothing, but floppity seems to think that random groups of people were subjected to prohibitively high ones [18:59] [floppity] Were you asking him or me Grek? [19:00] [Grek] I didn't ask anyone specific so the question is open, no? [19:02] * lolotar (lolotar@dm-26730.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) Quit (Connection reset by peer) [19:02] * lolotar (lolotar@dm-26730.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #darknest [19:02] [floppity] If you really wanted to know what's wrong with oink's ratio requirements, you wouldn't ask someone who assumed there was never any problem. [19:03] [Grek] to my knowledge there wasn't anything wrong [19:04] [floppity] There were lots of problems, with the entire site. [19:04] [floppity] I mean, why else would its own users turn on it? [19:04] [Grek] where did the oink users turn on oink? [19:05] [Grek] and more specifically, what kind of users? [19:05] [floppity] When it was shut down. [19:07] [lolotar (POWER USER)] uhhh [19:07] [lolotar (POWER USER)] most of the people I knew on Oink are on Waffles and speak of it pretty positively [19:07] [lolotar (POWER USER)] There's threads wishing the site owner well every time his bail is extended [19:07] [lolotar (POWER USER)] I don't know of any sort of user insurrections [19:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Also, out of rum :( I was gonna play the AT&T ADSL drinking game [19:08] [lolotar (POWER USER)] Every time my connection dies unexpectedly, take a drink [19:08] [floppity] I'm not going to talk about oink anymore. |
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