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Holy shit. by Bill Dungsroman 11/25/2004, 1:27am PST
Jeff Green wrote:

This is what happens when I morbidly Google my own name. (And hey, thanks for the compliment on my old column...)

I would honestly say we overrated Doom 3 by 1/2 a star. I'd still give it an Editor's Choice (meaning a 4.5) because I still find it an engrossing experience, visually and sonically. Half-Life 2 blows it away in terms of level design, for sure, but HL2 has its own share of problems, IMHO of course.
I appreciate your honesty, although I doubt I'd rate it higher than 4 stars. I was bored stiff halfway through. But, I understand that a review can only ever be an opinion given by the reviewer, and obviously Darren held the game in high regard. But boy, did he ever go ballistic in that review.

Jeff Green wrote:

Darren was indeed extremely enthusiastic (duh) in his Doom 3 review. It happens. Not every review by every mag or newspaper nails it every single time. I do think our track record, over the years, is still pretty damn good. But we're not above getting criticism, and we always work on trying to not f*ck up in the future....
You can say fuck here Jeff, we don't mind (actually, I don't think we even listen until then). Your track record, IMO, is very good. It's the only print gaming mag I, and many others, read. It's because of your good record that overblown reviews like the Doom 3 review and the Black & White review are so glaring. PCGamer reviews are so consistently inflated and misleading, it's pointless to even complain about them anymore. I know you may have friends that work there, but their reviews suck and are far too untrustowrthy and reek of craven ad revenue kowtowing (I'll mention their Arcanum and Temple of Elemental Evil reviews as proof). Additionally, I know you typically do the FPS reviews, and you're rarely if ever wrong in your opinions. You, Erik and Tom are the only writers I ever note in CGW's reviews, so I didn't even really know who Darren was (evidently one of CGW's editors). Just that, you know, HE WASN'T MY NIZZLE GREEN. Your mandate to not ever go to a publisher to play the game on their turf is a good one, IMO, and it clearly shows you don't want things going down like that again. The fact that HL2's installation came with a wide range of results is something that, as you pointed out on Qt3 (in one of the many HL2 threads that made me want to run screaming naked in the streets), you would never have noticed if you had gone to Valve or VU and played the game there. I'm also glad it's you that is writing the review - it was your HL1 review that prompted me to buy it back in the day, back when I was far more computer illiterate, and also visit Old Man Murray, the single worst decision of my life :)

Jeff Green wrote:

Jeff
(yes it's really me...you can email me at jeff_green@ziffdavis.com if you want confirmation....)
I may PM you on Qt3. Our site is free-form and this sort of gag is right up the alley of some of our regs.

P.S. Your column was very good. Coffey's is terrible.

BDR

(It's really me, too!)
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CGW Comes Out United For Its Doom3 Review. by Bill Dungsroman 11/02/2004, 12:05pm PST NEW
    Erik talks about Doom 3 in AIM (plus a special appearance by Half-Life 2) by Fussbett 11/02/2004, 10:12pm PST NEW
    Re: CGW Comes Out United For Its Doom3 Review. by Ice Cream Jonsey 11/03/2004, 3:55pm PST NEW
        Their lack of moral values reflect...well, nothing. by jeep 11/04/2004, 3:51pm PST NEW
            Re: Their lack of moral values reflect...well, nothing. by Creexul :( 11/04/2004, 4:47pm PST NEW
    Re: CGW Comes Out United For Its Doom3 Review. by Souffle of Pain 11/04/2004, 3:00pm PST NEW
    Re: CGW Comes Out United For Its Doom3 Review. by Jeff Green 11/24/2004, 11:57pm PST NEW
        OMG IT'S REALLY HIM! NT by Screaming Girls 11/25/2004, 1:06am PST NEW
        Holy shit. by Bill Dungsroman 11/25/2004, 1:27am PST NEW
            Well that was embarassing enough. by Fussbett 11/25/2004, 1:56am PST NEW
                The guy at jeff_green@ziffdavis.com never heard of a Jeff Green? NT by I need even further clarification 11/25/2004, 2:06am PST NEW
                    Re: The guy at jeff_green@ziffdavis.com never heard of a Jeff Green? by Jeff Green 11/25/2004, 9:18am PST NEW
                        Dare not speak my name. by Fussbett 11/25/2004, 1:09pm PST NEW
                            My you've gotten unfunny, Fussy-betty. NT by Zseni 11/25/2004, 1:12pm PST NEW
                                Who are you? Jeff Green? NT by Fussbett 11/25/2004, 3:56pm PST NEW
                                    Less weepy vagina monologues next time. by Zseni 11/25/2004, 7:00pm PST NEW
                                        Jesus, you're weird. Project much? NT by Fussbett 11/25/2004, 7:03pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Jesus, you're weird. Project much? by Zseni 11/25/2004, 7:37pm PST NEW
                                                Listen, Jeff Green. I've had just about enough of you. by Fussbett 11/25/2004, 11:34pm PST NEW
                                                    And you're an unfunny cunt. NT by Zseni 11/26/2004, 7:00am PST NEW
                                                        And you're a fat bitch. NT by JUST GO HOME AND EAT SOME PIE 11/26/2004, 10:46am PST NEW
                                                            HOT PIE by Entropy Stew 11/28/2004, 2:38am PST NEW
                            Or what? by Bill Dungsroman 11/26/2004, 3:44pm PST NEW
                                Let's get to the bottom of what's wrong with me. by Fussbett 11/26/2004, 4:13pm PST NEW
                                    Problem: FUNNAY not found. New Search String... by Zseni 11/27/2004, 2:37am PST NEW
                                        Problem: FUNNAY not found. Error, buffer reached max size, exiting... by foolio, Zseni 11/27/2004, 3:02am PST NEW
                                            You may stop posting here forever now, thanks for the lame screenshots, goodbye. NT by Mystero 11/27/2004, 5:10am PST NEW
                                                Those words cut deep, like a sawblade in HL2 cuts deep. Right to the bone! by foolio 11/27/2004, 11:00am PST NEW
                                                    I remember us all laughing whenever you replied with, "Coward!" by Mystero 11/27/2004, 12:41pm PST NEW
                                                        Wait, now you're getting me confused with...who are you confusing me with? by foolio 11/27/2004, 1:09pm PST NEW
                                                        Re: I remember us all laughing whenever you replied with, "Coward!" by whydirt 11/27/2004, 5:25pm PST NEW
                                                        Re: I remember us all laughing whenever you replied with, "Coward!" by Creexul :( 11/30/2004, 4:55am PST NEW
                                            Faggot NT by Zseni 11/27/2004, 6:34am PST NEW
                                                On writing like Zseni by Better Zseni Impersonations Inc. 11/27/2004, 7:11am PST NEW
                                                    But this sounds like you by Mysterio 11/27/2004, 7:40am PST NEW
                                                    Re: On writing like Zseni by Choson 11/27/2004, 7:48am PST NEW
                                        Humour is subjective. by Fussbett 11/27/2004, 4:49am PST NEW
                                            Yes it is and yours is subjectively bad. NT by Zseni 11/27/2004, 6:32am PST NEW
                                                You failed at riling me up, so now you go after Fussbett? You so crazy! NT by Fullofkittens 11/27/2004, 8:22am PST NEW
                                                    You are a zero player, a non event. You are an afterthought. You never matter. NT by Mystero 11/27/2004, 12:47pm PST NEW
                                                        How do you fuck up the default blank author field, you tard NT by Mysterio 11/27/2004, 1:53pm PST NEW
                                                            Reflect on the amount of time and effort put into that post, oh mediocrity lord. NT by Mysterio 11/27/2004, 3:29pm PST NEW
                                                                "Mediocrity lord"! Brilliant! NT by Mysterioso 11/27/2004, 9:09pm PST NEW
                                                                    Thank you for providing an example. NT by Mystardo 11/28/2004, 3:06am PST NEW
                                                    P.S. Your musical career is as viable as Creex getting laid by anyone but Jsoh NT by DAYUM, that's harsh! 11/27/2004, 1:12pm PST NEW
                                                        zzz... NT by Fullofkittens 11/27/2004, 3:00pm PST NEW
                                                        OH YEAH WELL YO MAMA SO FAT NT by Mysterio 11/27/2004, 3:48pm PST NEW
                                                    Close! by Fussbett 11/27/2004, 3:54pm PST NEW
                                                Only subjectively, thank goodness by Fussbett 11/27/2004, 1:55pm PST NEW
                                    Actually, by Bill Dungsroman 11/27/2004, 6:31pm PST NEW
                    I fucked Veronica NT by Jeff Green 11/27/2004, 11:52am PST NEW
                        HIGH FIVE! NT by Umberto 11/27/2004, 3:29pm PST NEW
            BDR never fails to embarass :( by I need clarification 11/25/2004, 2:54am PST NEW
                Isn't working for Sony on PS2 titles a lot like working for Sega on Dreamcast? by Mister Fancy Pants 11/25/2004, 11:11am PST NEW
                Re: BDR never fails to embarass :( by Jeff Green 11/25/2004, 11:48am PST NEW
                    Re: BDR never fails to embarass :( by Lizard_King 11/25/2004, 9:15pm PST NEW
                        That's horrible. Everyone stop apologizing to Jeff Green for Caltrops. by I need clarification 11/29/2004, 11:22pm PST NEW
                            Why do jews have big noses? Air is free. NT by Lizard_King 11/30/2004, 12:41am PST NEW
                                Why do broke coders hate Jews? Because we're rich. NT by I need clarification 11/30/2004, 10:53am PST NEW
                INC never fails to embarass (himself) by Bill Dungsroman 11/26/2004, 3:13pm PST NEW
                    I AM A FUCKING GOD OF WAR by Jeff Green 11/26/2004, 3:35pm PST NEW
        Wow by Choson 11/25/2004, 5:01pm PST NEW
            IT'S LIKE EATING A DELICIOUS SPONGE! NT by Creexul :( 11/25/2004, 5:44pm PST NEW
    MARRIED... WITH CALTROPS by Ray of Light 11/27/2004, 3:41pm PST NEW
        It's like Hee Haw meets Jonestown in here NT by Entropy Stew 11/27/2004, 6:16pm PST NEW
            Re: It's like Hee Haw meets Jonestown in here by Bill Dungsroman 11/27/2004, 6:23pm PST NEW
                OMG GAY PM NT by Entropy Stew 11/27/2004, 8:13pm PST NEW
 
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