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by Fussbett 02/05/2007, 1:51pm PST |
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OiNK (being single sucks geek find me a lady!) (Administrator) at 2006-11-30 18:41:46 (4 weeks ago) - [PM] - [Quote]
How do you feel about the ratio requirements we impose?
Oink had a poll about the famous Oink ratio requirements, and the results were as follows:
I think they're fair. 66%
I think they're too strict. 26%
I think they're too lenient. 8%
8% thinks Oink has too many abusers of the benevolent system, and there were forum threads started by people asking the 26% of users to explain themselves. How can they possibly think Oink is too strict?! Then a mod unironically locked the thread because there was ALREADY A THREAD ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
But that's for you to read on your own. For now let's see the official feedback thread:
Sam2008 (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 18:43:15
Persoanally too lenient i think
maybe like a 0.4 or 0.5 minimum would be better?
but at the end of the day what do i know,!
PersoANALLY.
leftoverparts (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 18:50:44
Well, I'd say they're fair, and the next closest option would be too lenient. I don't even have that much upload bandwidth and it's pretty easy for me to meet the requirements for power user. But that's through pretty heavy rationing of downloads. Pretty much only getting what I absolutely need right away, and waiting a while for the rest.
I don't know why I do it this way, I guess I was shooting for 2.0 ratio, to have it at least once that is. Yesterday I decided to download a bunch of stuff. That was fun.
Then what happened?! Anecdotal evidence combined with a crazy rationale. It's easy to get a high ratio, just stop downloading so much. If everyone stopped downloading, the place would be so much better.
kulshan (User+) at 2006-11-30 19:04:42
I understand that everyone isnt always the best about sharing , but I d/l torrents from other sites that dont have this strict policy. And they continue to function. So why is this site diffrent? Im new and just curious. Im sure a bunch of ppl with share ratios of like 15.24 are gonna flame me , but ill live. Im presently having to wait for my ratio to come up to .5 before i d/l anything else. And being as the stuff I d/l isnt necessarily real popular so it takes a while to get my ratio up. So all this time my Azeureus is always on, and Im sharing with folks from other torrnet sites , but my OINK stuff,just doesnt seem to get d/l'd as much. So it seems like I get punished for liking non mainstream music. If I was d/l-ing Shakira and Jessica Simpson id have 8000peers to d/l from me.
Dont get me wrong , I really dig OINK, one of a kind. Just tryin to understand the bigger picture of whats trying to be accomplished. Were ppl just not sharing and the site was endanger of collapse?
sogellag (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 19:09:06
I think they're generally fair, but I wish we could be eligible for some type of upload credit (especially for Power+ users)
Its just really odd because I seed very very well on other sites (such as Demonoid) but I can never seed anything here
Agnostik (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 19:12:21
Yeah, seeding here is hard. Lots of music, lots of seeders, and one or two occasional leechers.
As for me, it is especially difficult because my download bandwidth is two times faster than upload bandwidth, that causes some trouble. If I had 512/512 instead of 512/256, I'd probably already be a PowerUser by now.
As you can see, and perhaps you also heard a bell ring -- Agnostik did finally make "PowerUser".
VortX (Donor) (This account is disabled) (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 19:13:24
It's not that hard to meet the basic ratio requirements not to be banned, sometimes you have to wisely select what you download.
Yeah, stop downloading any old shit like it's free. You may want to buy a CD first and give it a listen to decide if it's worth spending your Oink ratio on.
rootkit (Donor) (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 19:15:17
Definitely too lenient.
See the "Donor" beside the name? This user gave MONEY to Oink. I wonder if his opinion is worth anything?
Mr_D (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 20:11:42
Once again, the discussion is all about numbers and not about sharing music. I share obscure stuff here because I like being nice to music lovers. I own a lot of obscure stuff, so my ratio quickly ended up in bulgy-eyes territory, which means that somewhere out there are people with ratio holes that are 'my fault'. Should I feel bad about this? No.
Do I want someone on 0.51 to be able to get something they have been looking for for years from me? Yes!
Do I want someone on 0.49 to be able to get something they have been looking for for years from me? Yes!
Do I want someone on 0.49 downloading something they don't intend listening to from me just because seeding it might get them to 0.51? Not really.
Hey, here's a user who would prefer that you DIDN'T raise your ratio if your HEART isn't in it. I bet you wish your moral compass was also pointing at magnetic nerd.
Becky (FBI Agent ) (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 20:12:47
Personality I think they're a litte too leinent - I mean, I have a fine ratio AND most of the music I upload is obscure (Asian for the most part) compared to most...but allowing someone to download 25GB and only having to upload 6.25 in return? That seems a little too big of a difference for me...
But that's just me...everyone else seems to think it's really fair so meh, who am I to complain
Becky almost manages an opinion, goes with the wrong stupid instinct, and then backs off to not ruffle any feathers. Also: personality?!
shoe (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 20:28:29
Too lenient.
but i dont base my argument on anything other than the fact that when i joined it was a struggle and i think i had to earn my spot.
then again ive had a lot of invites go bad cause friends couldnt keep up.
It's too bad that Oink gave this user a sense of belonging instead of a street gang, as nature intended.
punkpunkpunk (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 21:43:18 (9 weeks ago) - [PM] - [Quote]
Way way too lenient. You should need a .75 ratio at the least to be able to be a member of any torrent site after like 2 weeks IMO. You are basically saying its alright not to seed back all the stuff you get.
"Way way too lenient", says user punkpunkpunk. How many anarchy symbols has user punkpunkpunk drawn on a notebook? Worn on t-shirt? Bought as a sticker from a store? John Lydon should find this guy and spit in his face while Bram Cohen explains bit torrent and an economist explains how a copiable commodity doesn't support nor need a barter system.
Foo4Fun (Donor) (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 22:11:07
Way too lenient. What's so friggin hard about 1:1? It's only hard for people who are not willing to seed their own stuff, but try to re-seed only. That doesn't improve the site. It just recycles the same old crap. There's a good reason OiNK is so good. Leniency is not the reason.
Foo4Fun has a ratio of 5:1, making it actually physically impossible all other people to achieve 1:1.
tyyyke (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 22:28:57
Allow leechers to download 5 gig of music that's a lot of albums you know.
Summery "too lenient."
Until someone put it in terms of albums, I found this discussion too abstract and distant.
TheStonepedo (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 23:15:11
Way way way too lenient. It favors leechers and data hoarders who don't upload a thing but can make the minimums by downloading then seeding. It is nice to have a lot of seeders, but I'd rather see a ratio cutoff very near 1.0, possibly 0.9, after a couple weeks and a minimum download amount. Such tight requirements would encourage people not just to add to the speed at which things are shuffled around, but to actually rip, encode, and add entropy to the system. I uploaded dozens of albums before downloading my first GB because contributing to the community means more to me than getting stuff for free. People who want to get music for free without giving anything back but bandwidth are not helping much.
Data hoarders!!! TheStonepedo is inventing names for invented problems and then getting angry at the imaginary straw men he's created. Then in the next sentence, he explains that he would like to see less seeders. If the world was just, a forum would automatically delete a user if the code detected that string of words. TheStonepedo is another user who dislikes that the music is free, really. That's just an unfortunate side effect of playing the Oink ratio RPG.
elliptik (Donor) (Power User+) at 2006-11-30 23:23:01
A lot of people seem to think that it is their inherent right to be able to leech as much as they want. Think of OiNK as being the bank of music goodness and your account as being a credit card. You're given a certain amount of free credit which at some point you need to pay back. Think of your downloads/uploads as investments: if you invest wisely you will earn more credit than you spent. To compensate for investments that didn't pan out you'll either need to hold on to other investments longer (seed to 1+ ratio) or upload some of your own stuff. All the arguments about it being too hard to seed back can be thought of in this context as well. You go to the bank and get a credit card. It's easy to go out and blow a ton of cash on stuff that you want but harder to earn the money to pay it back. Do you think that your bank is going to buy the argument: Yeah I spent $30,000 on a widescreen TV, a snowboard, new computer etc. but I really wanted all that stuff! I only make $8/hr so it's not fair of you to expect me to pay it back. Manage your ratio like you'd manage your credit and understand the fact that it's not your given right to leech away and you'll be fine.
Can someone crack this asshole's head against an ATM so that he might understand the difference between the real world and the internet? elliptik, I hate you, and I hope you Google your way over here, elliptik.
That's all for now, but a common thread with the "too lenient" people is that it's not hard to get the ratio if you DON'T DOWNLOAD and SPEND TIME with your UPLOADS. It seems not out of place to these people that you might spend hours a night playing with your music collection and music websites. Sure, Ray and Zseni do that for fun, and Jerry Whorebach could do it for reward, but Oink PowerUsing is a time requirement that a normal person can't pay. |
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