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You have, unfortunately, setup a major strawman and proceeded to burn it to a crisp. Let's take a look at what I've actually said over the course of this thread:
1. I said that these new weapons were not significantly more 'frightening' than existing weapons. sysinfo's link to the 2003 analysis of the practicality of space-based weapons systems bears this out.
2. I said that the development of next-generation weapons was inevitable due to international competition for a strategic advantage, and that there was no particular reason for America not to develop them first, outside of the madmen running our government. At no point did I ever suggest that developing these weapons was a good thing or a useful expenditure of taxpayer dollars.
3. I said that the situation could have been significantly worse - placing NBCs in orbit where a satellite failure and uncontrolled reentry could have horrifying consequences (widely dispersed plague, atmospheric irradiation). Tungsten rods are, relatively speaking, harmless in comparison (see sysinfo's link).
4. I said that there was no significant difference between the impersonal nature of entering coordinates and firing artillery, and the impersonal nature of entering coordinates and deorbiting tungsten rods.
5. I pointed out that three nations with the necessary resources to begin development of these and other next-generation weapons had significant interest in obtaining strategic advantages over neighboring countries, even if they could be trusted not to pursue such for their next few administrations. I also pointed out that given the pace of world development that in another fifty years even the poorest of nations may be able to consider developing these weapons. In support of this I pointed out that the number of countries with nuclear capability had doubled since the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty was established.
6. I said that despite my wishes that humanity would mature a little, it was unlikely to happen anytime soon and in light of this falling behind in the arms race could be extremely dangerous. That our leaders set us on this path and we were bound to it due to their short-sightedness. That given the genetically-ingrained tendency towards tribalism, we might very well destroy ourselves.
7. Finally, in response to you I pointed out that we had computerized death machines flying overhead already, flown by even more unreliable humans. That killing has been densensitized for a long time now. That for the people who were responsible for making the decisions warfare has always been impersonal and without risk - and there is no need to psychologically damage those who are often forced into carrying out their wishes.
Oh yes, because there's no difference between a mostly mechanical jet that isn't prone to being hacked and an orbital death machine that is designed to be controlled by wireless transmissions that can drop nuclear-equivalent blasts all over the globe. Much like a knife and afore-mentioned orbital death machine are really the same things as well.
'Mostly mechanical' jets, or rather their larger counterparts (bombers) can and do carry nuclear weapons capable of obliterating cities. I'd say that the reliability of nuclear submarine captains, missle silo commanders, nuclear bomber pilots and most especially our beloved president are the weak link in the chain, not encryption algorithms that have withstood the best efforts of two generations of the world's finest mathematicians and cryptologists. Secondly, see sysinfo's link - the space-based weapons, at least, are nowhere even near existing nuclear weapons in power.
The weapons and the security of their triggering mechanisms are not the problem - the people controlling them are and always have been, and space-borne weapons for specialized purposes will do little to add to their ability to cause destruction on an apocalyptic scale. Even if that were the goal of these systems, which it is not.
Again, it's a matter of scale. I won't argue with you that things went too far a while ago.
It is indeed a matter of scale - but one of time. Combat wasn't just impersonal during World War 2, it was impersonal when the Basilic pounded the walls of Constantinople with cannonfire in 1453.
There's no going back from here.
Frankly this is why I have issues with hand-guns. Too god-damned easy to kill someone. Fists and knives take so much more in the way of guts or being disturbed, I think we'd have a lot less in the way of murder going on if it was honestly a tougher and more personal issue.
You'd be wrong, then. Gun homicides have dropped from 8,000 per year to 5,000 since 1995. Knife homicides have remained steadily at 2,500 in that time. The tougher and more personal method has remained constant while the 'easy' method has dropped nearly forty percent. I will say, however, that handguns and SMGs are easily concealed and carried where rifles, shotguns, and assault rifles are not, so there's something to be said for attempting to keep them off the streets (while noting that violent crime in the UK has skyrocketed since most firearms were outlawed there).
But just because we've had anti-aircraft guns fired by a guy in a little room, that doesn't somehow equate to it being great to waste hundreds of billions of dollars more that we've already wasted on machines that will certainly increase the risk of massive damage dramatically. It's like the asinine decision to pursue tactical nukes. Tactical fucking nukes. "Bunker Busters". Yee-fucking-ha, go cowboy! We're worried about nuclear proliferation, so the answer, obviously, is to inject much more usable nukes into the world. The logic of these fucking cowboys (and I'd recommend going back and reading the quotes in the article from the air-force general... he's like a character out of Dr. Strangelove with his talk about American destiny) does in fact sicken me.
You do a disservice to any valid points you might make by blanketly ascribing irrationality to those you disagree with, and describing them as caricatures rather than confronting their actual words and finding fault with their actual reasoning. Knee-jerk reactionary attitudes make you look bad, not them, and since what you want is what I want in the final measure, I'd prefer you didn't.
In any case, see my second point above: I agree that developing next-generation weapons is economically a waste, but given that some nation eventually developing them is just shy of inevitable it would be a mistake to not have parity especially given the rest of the world's feelings towards the United States. This money is sadly wasted, but we're stuck on this path thanks to the colossal stupidity of the Bush administration and as with impersonal combat there is no going back now.
I do not in any way, shape or form want to make it easier for people to engage in the mass slaughter of other people. You go ahead and color it any way you like. I don't care if they are a mass of starving orphans. That in no way makes it a 'good' thing to make either conscious or accidental nuclear-equicalent blasts from space a desirable or even an acceptable development. I'm sorry you feel differently. I'm very sorry that that is your reality.
I would challenge you to find where I said that I wanted to make it easier for people to kill other people - I am, as I said, a liberal pacifist. I said that I wanted humanity to grow up, rather than flush money down the spiral of the arms race. But humanity growing up is not an option, and our leaders throughout human history have never demonstrated the ability to behave like adults at the macroscopic level. Because of those leaders who rarely experience war as anything other than impersonal decisions they make in a comfortable office we are trapped in our current situation - and all the chest-beating in the world won't change this fact.
Failing humanity growing up or spending money on anything worthwhile, I would prefer not to die. There is a world of difference between 'desirable,' 'acceptable,' and 'necessary due to inevitability.'
The critical flaw is that there is no proof that these things have to happen. They only have to happen if they are allowed (or encouraged, as the case may be) to happen. Bullshit mantras about manifest-space-destiny while we trash our own treaties to keep space from being militarized. It's nothing but a demented failure of ethics, will and human preservation that is really all about greed. Hundreds of billions blown on missile defense that we already knew was a no-go? I got it... we and our Defense Dept. buddies can cash on several new systems that will cost even more over the next ten years.
You can't prove an untestable hypothesis, period. What you can do in this case is look at every historical prescedent and draw conclusions. The history of nuclear weapons has some very, very direct parallels to the current situation, and I think you know what conclusions those parallels indicate. Manifest-space-destiny mantras are, I agree, bullshit. But just because someone is wrong about statement A does not automatically mean that they are wrong about statement B. You were flat-out wrong about knife and blunt object crime decreasing, but there were a couple points above where you were right and I said so. Just because one general has his head up his ass does not render his basic assertion - that we will eventually have to develop these weapons if for no other reason than parity - somehow magically false.
The money is wasted, but our administration has backed us into a corner on this and many, many other critical issues due to their inability to make sound decisions on nearly any topic.
The armed response paradigm is losing us our current war. They money could be far better invested in things like collecting the loose nuclear material from former Soviet bloc countries, to adequate education, food and shelter for the world's poor. To developing real democracies that don't churn out hordes of raging, anti-American fanatics in places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, the Philippines and now, woo Demecracy!, Uzbekistan. To developing real energy policies that de-link foreign policy from quick-sand and flash-fires. I'm not talking pie-in-the-sky, here, I'm talking reality.
You apparently fail to grasp that there is a difference between escalation and contingency planning. The money could and should be better spent, but that option is - in any realistic assessment of the facts at hand - now beyond us. I agree that educating the world's power is an important task, but disagree with feeding and sheltering them. One of the many factors driving our current geopolitical situation - of which space-borne weapon systems are a result - is our ongoing population explosion. Food and shelter increase birthrates. Education and birth control reduce them. You say you want to talk reality - is it better that one billion die of starvation now or fifteen billion die choking on a poisonous atmosphere in a century?
Our foreign policy is an abortion, but even a complete reversal of course won't undo the damage for decades.
Our hands have been tied by our leaders, and the best we can hope for now is to ensure our survival.
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This chestnut. by Creexul :( 12/19/2004, 8:28pm PST
Snooped by Senor Barborito 12/19/2004, 11:26pm PST
I'm just collecting it all in one spot. NT by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 12/20/2004, 1:38am PST
By the way. by Creexul :( 12/22/2004, 10:17am PST
Re: By the way. by laudablepuss 12/22/2004, 12:10pm PST
Re: By the way. by Creexul :( 12/22/2004, 3:15pm PST
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 12/19/2004, 5:50am PST
Well, kiss Metafilter goodbye. NT by veronica-bot 12/20/2004, 1:15am PST
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It's all there. by conflictNo 12/19/2004, 11:11am PST
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Jesus, no wonder this kid likes Penny Arcade NT by L.A. hipster 12/19/2004, 6:27pm PST
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PURE GOLD by Creexul :( 12/20/2004, 2:25am PST
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Underground cities? by Choson 12/20/2004, 8:52am PST
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You missed the best part of thread by Choson 12/21/2004, 12:31pm PST
Remember: He did what he could... FOR US! by Chairman Mao 12/21/2004, 2:11pm PST
Re: Remember: He did what he could... FOR US! by Mysterio 12/21/2004, 2:27pm PST
Re: Remember: He did what he could... FOR US! by Maxime Faget 12/21/2004, 8:44pm PST
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Senor Barboritio Caltrops V1 Summary by BarboritoFilter 12/21/2004, 2:53pm PST
I did that!!!! Fussbett helped. It made no splash whatsoever, but Barbie... by Zseni 12/21/2004, 5:03pm PST
Actually, he was fuming about it by Entropy Stew 12/21/2004, 6:18pm PST
Fucking hilarious. NT by Bill Dungsroman 12/21/2004, 6:42pm PST
FAKE perpetrated by MR. PALOMAR by Fussbett 12/21/2004, 10:30pm PST
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 01/01/2005, 4:12am PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 01/01/2005, 4:16am PST
Gerbils, on the other hand, tend to exist in a sort of binary state by Fussbett 01/01/2005, 10:07pm PST
Re: Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Bunyip 02/23/2005, 4:08pm PST
This is still good. NT by Creexul :( 02/15/2005, 9:40pm PST
Sorry, I forgot about this. NT by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 02/15/2005, 11:31pm PST
Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 02/15/2005, 11:33pm PST
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 02/16/2005, 3:55am PST
Cars covered in snow by Ray of Light 02/16/2005, 5:09am PST
It's almost like he's outside. NT by Choson 02/16/2005, 6:46am PST
He didn't take those pictures. by Fullofkittens 02/16/2005, 8:04pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaTalk Post - February 19th, 2005 by Choson 02/20/2005, 8:42am PST
Most ironic statement ever? by Choson 02/20/2005, 9:01am PST
Something we might see in the distant future? by Creexul :( 02/20/2005, 10:10pm PST
More SB from that Metafilter thread (umberto fucked veronica) by Choson 02/20/2005, 1:30pm PST
OpenBSD by Fussbett 02/20/2005, 8:29pm PST
Re: OpenBSD by Chairman Mao 02/20/2005, 9:03pm PST
Re: OpenBSD by Creexul :( 02/20/2005, 10:23pm PST
Re: OpenBSD by Chairman Mao 02/20/2005, 11:56pm PST
Jon Stewart resigns. by Creexul :( 02/20/2005, 10:11pm PST
AIM LOGS with a certain SENOR BARBORITO by Fussbett 02/21/2005, 12:33am PST
Re: AIM LOGS with a certain SENOR BARBORITO by Creexul :( 02/21/2005, 4:17am PST
Sanitario666: Wrong, stupid. :) NT by McMoo the Anti-Drug Cow 02/21/2005, 1:10pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/29/2005, 9:40pm PST
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Holy fuck by Voyons Donc 03/29/2005, 10:21pm PST
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he also whupped his pastor's ass at Unreal Tournament. FOR MONEY NT by Fullofkittens 03/29/2005, 10:33pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/29/2005, 9:48pm PST
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Senor Barborito: he's got the CURE for CURIOSITY. by Ray of Light 03/29/2005, 11:31pm PST
Re: Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Bill Dungsroman 03/30/2005, 9:27am PST
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sb doesn't want to brag, but!!!!!!!! by Creexul :( 03/30/2005, 12:20pm PST
Oh my God by Quentin Beck 03/30/2005, 3:06pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/29/2005, 9:57pm PST
College Try = declare self above it and then give up quickly, disgraced NT by mark 03/30/2005, 6:17pm PST
I guess the 4 dudes he whipped at one time had shorter reaches. NT by Bill Dungsroman 03/30/2005, 7:02pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/29/2005, 10:03pm PST
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Re: Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by The Happiness Engine 03/30/2005, 10:24am PST
SB has as much familiarity with balls as he does guns. NT by Bill Dungsroman 03/30/2005, 4:06pm PST
The other day I found a website about 'Mythemes' by jeep 04/04/2005, 10:43pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 04/06/2005, 3:55pm PDT
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Oh boy, link the Plague debunking next, plz. NT by laudablepuss 04/06/2005, 5:36pm PDT
Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post: vasectomy by mark 04/10/2005, 6:16pm PDT
Re: Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post: vasectomy by Creexul :( 04/10/2005, 6:53pm PDT
PS! by Creexul :( 04/10/2005, 6:55pm PDT
[marked as best answer] ...Bizarro world! NT by Fussbett 04/10/2005, 11:42pm PDT
Not at all by Entropy Stew 04/11/2005, 3:18am PDT
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Defying genetics and the punnett square with his cRaZy by Kab(uke) 04/15/2005, 12:25pm PDT
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Senor Barborito: sending documents to be spot printed? by Fussbett 04/15/2005, 5:10am PDT
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Iron certainty by Fussbett 04/21/2005, 9:24am PDT
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This needs to be the new about Caltrops page NT by Kab(uke) Seme 04/21/2005, 3:31am PDT
"Money shot but no anal." should headline the web page. NT by Mr. Kool 04/21/2005, 9:23am PDT
You mean, "Money shot (ugh) but no anal." NT by I need clarification 04/21/2005, 2:23pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 04/21/2005, 3:31am PDT
we are scaling new heights of terror here NT by Kthor 04/21/2005, 8:38am PDT
Re: Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Creexul :( 04/21/2005, 10:52am PDT
Note: his wife was once filled with Umberto's cock. Just FYI. NT by laudablepuss 04/21/2005, 11:56am PDT
She thought it would come out of her mouth, it was so big. NT by Fullofkittens 04/21/2005, 12:55pm PDT
Oh yeah, I forgot this part. by Fussbett 04/21/2005, 3:47pm PDT
Re: Oh yeah, I forgot this part. by laudablepuss 04/21/2005, 5:17pm PDT
You're right. My imagined SB was too anime inspired and fun. NT by Fussbett 04/21/2005, 5:35pm PDT
Re: You're right. My imagined SB was too anime inspired and fun. by laudablepuss 04/21/2005, 6:01pm PDT
Re: Oh yeah, I forgot this part. by Ray of Light 04/25/2005, 7:02am PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 04/24/2005, 3:01pm PDT
DAMMIT sb DON'T RUIN STAR TREK FOR ME AND EVERYONE ELSE by Creexul :( 04/24/2005, 3:29pm PDT
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post [this post too long to tag properly] by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 05/18/2005, 10:34pm PDT
What is the point of the SB metafilter? I don't get it. NT by Universal Plan B 05/19/2005, 12:24am PDT
WHO'S THIS NOOB? NT by Creexul :( 05/19/2005, 12:36am PDT
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Is this thread because we wish SB was here? I didn't know we wished that. NT by Fullofkittens 09/02/2005, 10:58pm PDT
We only wake you up for the important meetings, FoK. NT by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/02/2005, 11:09pm PDT
I'm pretty okay with SB being around as long as he isn't deleting our stuff by mark 09/02/2005, 11:59pm PDT
it's here for the same reason four20 and Scribble posts are here NT by FABIO 09/03/2005, 4:28am PDT
It's to remind us that he was crazy. NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE NT by Creexul :( 09/03/2005, 11:09am PDT
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/02/2005, 11:15pm PDT
Wow metafilter looks like a fun place huh. :( NT by Creexul :( 09/03/2005, 11:17am PDT
Metafilter is where they have important discussions by Fussbett 09/03/2005, 11:44am PDT
Clapstro needs more meaningful conversations about religion, maybe the pope too! NT by Creexul :( 09/03/2005, 6:00pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 5:59pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:00pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:02pm PST
How does an entire family curl up on the couch? by Ray of Light 11/18/2005, 12:42pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:04pm PST
AIM LOG by Fussbett 11/16/2005, 7:15pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:07pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:11pm PST
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:14pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:15pm PST
If you are looking for some prime crazy in these new posts, here it is. by Creexul :( 11/15/2005, 7:08pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:19pm PST
times like this, I wish SB was still posting here by Ray of Light 11/18/2005, 12:38pm PST
Re: times like this, I wish SB was still posting here by causal observer 11/18/2005, 12:55pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:23pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:33pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:39pm PST
What weapons can you make at home to destroy America? Find out here! NT by Creexul :( 11/15/2005, 7:13pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:41pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:41pm PST
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 11/15/2005, 6:49pm PST
I COULD HAVE THIS PRINTED ON A SHIRT AND SUE YOU! NT by SB 11/15/2005, 11:08pm PST
Senor Barboritio Caltrops! Post! O_O by Creexul :( 11/18/2005, 9:03am PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 12/01/2005, 5:24am PST
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/08/2006, 7:38pm PST
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/08/2006, 9:11pm PST
HAHA to this entire fucking post. NT by I need clarification 03/09/2006, 12:45am PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/08/2006, 9:13pm PST
Re: Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Creexul :( 03/09/2006, 12:04am PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/08/2006, 9:23pm PST
Re: Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Chairman Mao 03/08/2006, 9:51pm PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/09/2006, 1:30am PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/09/2006, 1:42am PST
Anyone have a clue what the fuck he's talking about here? by laudablepuss 03/09/2006, 6:11pm PST
Everyone knows low bitrate communications make police unable to abuse things. NT by Creexul :( 03/10/2006, 7:09pm PST
Ah yes, I see. NT by laudablepuss 03/11/2006, 4:15pm PST
We'll get right on that by LA 03/11/2006, 9:57pm PST
Senor Barborito Metafilter Post by Senor Barborito Metafilter Post 03/12/2006, 2:07am PST
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Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/12/2006, 2:29am PST
Re: Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post by A new person 03/12/2006, 2:38am PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/12/2006, 2:38am PST
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/12/2006, 2:43am PST
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 03/12/2006, 2:47am PST
What goes through your mind when you think you are about to die? by Ask Metafilter 04/14/2006, 12:36pm PDT
Pure blind rage... As opposed to his normal pure unfocused anger. NT by Fussbett 04/14/2006, 3:18pm PDT
Basically the same reaction he had to administrating clatrpso. NT by Creexul :( 04/14/2006, 4:30pm PDT
That's one example of a hairy situation. by Fullofkittens 04/14/2006, 5:30pm PDT
Re: That's one example of a hairy situation. by motherfuckerfoodeater 04/14/2006, 5:42pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 05/06/2006, 4:05pm PDT
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Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 05/06/2006, 5:14pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 05/06/2006, 5:15pm PDT
This guy's clued up, man. He's sorely missed. NT by Quentin Beck 05/07/2006, 2:47am PDT
dear Senor Barboritio by fuck you guys 05/11/2006, 6:18am PDT
He doesn't post. He destroys posts NT by The ghost of blowjobs past 05/11/2006, 8:49am PDT
This is a thread devoted to making fun of that idiot by laudablepuss 05/11/2006, 10:17am PDT
Re: This is a thread devoted to making fun of that idiot by fuck you guys 05/11/2006, 11:45am PDT
That hurts because we're sociable people who want to encourage fresh new faces NT by Mischief Old Guard 05/11/2006, 12:32pm PDT
Re: This is a thread devoted to making fun of that idiot by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/11/2006, 1:36pm PDT
Senor Barboritio AskMetaFilter Post by Ryvar 05/11/2006, 8:41pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 8:29pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 8:30pm PDT
ancillary benefit of SB's idea by Ray of Light 09/07/2006, 9:11pm PDT
Re: Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Creexul :( 09/08/2006, 1:31am PDT
SB proclaims: my brain made me do it! by Zsenicorpse 09/08/2006, 1:18pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 8:31pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 8:33pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 8:34pm PDT
Thank you metafilter. NT by Creexul :( 09/08/2006, 1:37am PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 8:35pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 8:36pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 8:59pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 9:00pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 9:01pm PDT
as opposed to "moderately fatal" NT by Ray of Light 09/07/2006, 9:14pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 9:04pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 9:05pm PDT
sb is trying to make moral equivalency look bad or good here? :( NT by Creexul :( 09/08/2006, 1:36am PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 09/07/2006, 9:07pm PDT
SB proclaims: People are slaves to sugar and fat. But I am free! by Zsenicorpse 09/08/2006, 1:09pm PDT
Re: Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by I need clarification 09/08/2006, 1:45pm PDT
Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 02/07/2007, 4:22pm PST
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Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post by Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post 02/26/2007, 11:31pm PST
END of THREAD by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Post 05/17/2007, 3:29pm PDT
This thread should be moved into its own forum. ^___^ by Jhoh Cable o_O 05/18/2007, 8:23am PDT
Done NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/20/2007, 3:21am PDT
Hahaha nice. NT by Jhoh Cable o_O 05/20/2007, 4:16am PDT
Barborito is doing something?!?!?!? by Bananadine 09/16/2007, 9:54am PDT
Is Snoop in this game? NT by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/16/2007, 10:22am PDT
Snoop won't even go in the YMCA pool :( NT by A. Racist 09/16/2007, 10:38am PDT
50 cent? NT by Grumah 09/16/2007, 12:25pm PDT
Bananadine probably doesn't (EVEN) know about getting Snooped. by Fussbett 09/16/2007, 4:37pm PDT
His comment was favourited by 27 AskMeFites. This is record popularity. NT by Quentin Beck 09/16/2007, 6:11pm PDT
Re: Bananadine probably doesn't (EVEN) know about getting Snooped. by Bananadine 09/17/2007, 10:53pm PDT
Re: Bananadine probably doesn't (EVEN) know about getting Snooped. by Fussbett 09/18/2007, 11:50am PDT
SB update by FABIO 09/18/2007, 11:56am PDT
Ha, ha, ha by Souffle of Pain 09/18/2007, 1:06pm PDT
Also, bipolar. NT by Jhoh Clbbl O_____O 09/18/2007, 1:37pm PDT
Re: Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post by Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post 12/16/2009, 7:41pm PST
Re: Senor Barboritio MetaFilter Post by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 12/17/2009, 10:12am PST
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