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by Senor Barborito 08/21/2003, 11:17am PDT |
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bastage wrote:
Senor Barborito wrote:
This relieves AOL of having to support the bandwidth of maintaining a file-transfer proxy service. Since the AIM client on Host A sends packets to Host B that appear (to Host B's firewall) to be part of Host B's second connection with AOL's IM servers (thanks to AOL's IM servers passing the sequence/IP combo with which to forge the packet to Host A on the first connection to Host A), they pass through the firewall and to Host B, where the AIM client grabs the data and forges a similar packet (with the sequence/IP combo mirroring Host A's second connection to AOL's IM server).
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I really need someone who understands basic IP routing better than I do to tell me if this is all a pipe dream. I suspect it is, but it would be extermely cool if AOL could tunnel a direct connection through two firewalls set to blackhole like this.
So where would the ACKs go ..? Back to AIM HQ ..? (Since he's the 'source' ..)
Like I've said a few times, what you're talking about it is not impossible but I think it would be too kludgy to be effectively used for something like a file transfer. (How would window sizes be effectively negotiated ..? How about error correction ..? etc.)
re: ACK - One suggestion is to use UDP for the 'new' connection and manually implement it yourself, pseudo-'ACK'ing to the person sending you the file. Let AIM handle it internally the way online games do (very low-bandwidth sequencing by hand, relatively infrequent worldstate connection-integrity-sensitive-variable checks). I say this because I'm not entirely certain control of the network stack is fine enough in Windows to allow one to manually suppress outgoing ACKs - even if it weren't AOL has cut down on the bandwidth they get hit with so much it's a huge win.
And yes, it would probably be too kludgy (again, egress filtration of IP?). Glad you think it's at least maybe possible , though - coming up with little ideas like this is probably my favorite thing in the whole world, even if it's not really practical IT ENABLES THE SUPPOSEDLY IMPOSSIBLE AND IS THEREFORE ITS OWN JUSTIFIED ENDS BLAH BLAH BLAH etc.
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Is Fussbett still here? by Flurgendorf J. Creexul 08/15/2003, 5:04pm PDT 
Re: Is Fussbett still here? by Chairman Mao 08/15/2003, 5:10pm PDT 
Re: Is Fussbett still here? by Flurgendorf J. Creexul 08/15/2003, 5:52pm PDT 
Re: Is Fussbett still here? by whydirt, caltrops HALFLIFE2 08/15/2003, 6:14pm PDT 
Mine just came back. by creativepig 08/15/2003, 7:00pm PDT 
Checking in by Fussbett 08/15/2003, 7:07pm PDT 
Re: Checking in by Flurgendorf J. Creexul 08/15/2003, 7:40pm PDT 
Re: Checking in by Bill Dungsroman 08/15/2003, 8:05pm PDT 
Re: Checking in by laudablepuss 08/15/2003, 8:13pm PDT 
Re: Checking in by Flurgendorf J. Creexul 08/15/2003, 8:24pm PDT 
Many datacenters/NOCs are extremely high-security for obvious reasons. NT by Senor Barborito 08/15/2003, 8:26pm PDT 
BECAUSE THEY'RE HOLDING OVER 500 GIGS OF HOT HOT TRANSEXUAL PRON???????????????? NT by Tom-Foolery Constructor 08/16/2003, 3:48pm PDT 
BREACH! BREACH! HACKER ALERT! WE'RE COMPROMISED! by The IT guy at ConED 08/16/2003, 4:27pm PDT 
Blaster by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/16/2003, 4:40pm PDT 
Is the Linksys blackholing all incoming traffic or not? by Senor Barborito 08/16/2003, 5:30pm PDT 
Re: Is the Linksys blackholing all incoming traffic or not? by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/16/2003, 8:13pm PDT 
You do indeed misunderstand info on IM and blackholing traffic by Senor Barborito 08/17/2003, 1:54am PDT 
The above post is very long. by Fussbett 08/17/2003, 3:36am PDT 
Yes by Senor Barborito 08/17/2003, 3:42am PDT 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NT by Entropy Stew 08/21/2003, 10:49am PDT 
Re: You do indeed misunderstand info on IM and blackholing traffic by corax 08/17/2003, 9:05pm PDT 
This is my problem by Senor Barborito 08/17/2003, 11:01pm PDT 
Re: This is my problem by bastage 08/17/2003, 11:20pm PDT 
It's useful because it creates a direct connection between two firewalled hosts by Senor Barborito 08/18/2003, 1:28am PDT 
Re: It's useful because it creates a direct connection between two firewalled hosts by bastage 08/18/2003, 8:54am PDT 
Don't use ACKs by Senor Barborito 08/21/2003, 11:17am PDT 
Barbie's life strategy summed up in a single post header NT by Entropy Stew 08/21/2003, 2:33pm PDT 
Funny. You bastard. Shit that really IS pretty funny. :( NT by Senor Barborito 08/21/2003, 6:23pm PDT 
Simply: by Entropy Stew 08/17/2003, 4:28pm PDT 
Better suggestion by Senor Barborito 08/17/2003, 5:38pm PDT 
Like they said. by laudablepuss 08/17/2003, 5:51pm PDT 
Odds are it's not enabled anyway .. by bastage 08/17/2003, 7:36pm PDT 
Re: Odds are it's not enabled anyway .. by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/17/2003, 8:02pm PDT 
Trillian's file-transfer abilities aren't worth the time it takes to spit on 'em NT by Senor Barborito 08/17/2003, 8:09pm PDT 
So in other words I'd have to grab the actual AIM client .. by bastage 08/17/2003, 8:42pm PDT 
What specific version is it ..? by bastage 08/17/2003, 8:53pm PDT 
I'm going to continue answering my own questions. by bastage 08/17/2003, 9:19pm PDT 
I'm using an older beta than that by Senor Barborito 08/17/2003, 9:52pm PDT 
Re: I'm using an older beta than that by bastage 08/17/2003, 10:07pm PDT 
Re: Is Fussbett still here? by Flurgendorf J. Creexul 08/15/2003, 7:43pm PDT 
Hey you know what my favourite part of this whole blackout thing was? by creativepig 08/15/2003, 8:26pm PDT 
BECAUSE THEY WOULD CERTAINLY TELL US IF IT *WAS* TERRORISTS!!!! NT by Senor Barborito 08/15/2003, 8:29pm PDT 
Re: Hey you know what my favourite part of this whole blackout thing was? by I need clarification 08/15/2003, 9:15pm PDT 
Re: Hey you know what my favourite part of this whole blackout thing was? by Fussbett 08/16/2003, 4:11am PDT 
Re: Hey you know what my favourite part of this whole blackout thing was? by Entropy Stew 08/16/2003, 9:37am PDT 
Re: Hey you know what my favourite part of this whole blackout thing was? by Bill Dungsroman 08/18/2003, 12:01pm PDT 
Re: Hey you know what my favourite part of this whole blackout thing was? by laudablepuss 08/18/2003, 12:53pm PDT 
Re: Hey you know what my favourite part of this whole blackout thing was? by whydirt 08/16/2003, 12:40pm PDT 
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